Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Road Cycling
Reload this Page >

Unlucky or stupid - another broken stem face plate

Search
Notices
Road Cycling “It is by riding a bicycle that you learn the contours of a country best, since you have to sweat up the hills and coast down them. Thus you remember them as they actually are, while in a motor car only a high hill impresses you, and you have no such accurate remembrance of country you have driven through as you gain by riding a bicycle.” -- Ernest Hemingway

Unlucky or stupid - another broken stem face plate

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 04-24-12, 07:01 AM
  #1  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
JonnyHK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: London
Posts: 2,420

Bikes: Baum Romano, Brompton S2, Homemade Bamboo!

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 474 Post(s)
Liked 204 Times in 129 Posts
Unlucky or stupid - another broken stem face plate

A few months ago (well, almost a year) I had a broken face plate on my stem.

Old thread - https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...eak?highlight=

Today I'm taking the bike down the LBS for a major overhaul (everything off to bare frame) and I notice a small crack on the replacement face plate near one of the bolts. Hasn't gone, but would break in the same manner as the old one.

I've got a torque wrench, I don't bash into things. Am I just unlucky or am I doing something wrong?

Complete new stem will be applied this time - going with 3T.


Bike should ride like new after the overhaul (and a new large chain ring, chain, Gore cable set, etc etc).
JonnyHK is offline  
Old 04-24-12, 07:04 AM
  #2  
Senior Member
 
fstshrk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: WA State
Posts: 1,843
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 20 Post(s)
Liked 5 Times in 3 Posts
Maybe time to replace the handlebars too.
fstshrk is offline  
Old 04-24-12, 07:08 AM
  #3  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
JonnyHK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: London
Posts: 2,420

Bikes: Baum Romano, Brompton S2, Homemade Bamboo!

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 474 Post(s)
Liked 204 Times in 129 Posts
Originally Posted by fstshrk
Maybe time to replace the handlebars too.
Mechanic said he'd check them out for any distortion near the clamping area. Might go with some 3T Ergonova Pro - have those on the other bike and like them.
JonnyHK is offline  
Old 04-24-12, 07:25 AM
  #4  
Senior Member
 
MajorMantra's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Bristol, UK
Posts: 1,136
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Just a theory, but my guess would be that one of the bolt holes in the stem is slightly misaligned and is placing a torsion on the face plate when you tighten the bolts. Any sign of that? In any case you're right to ditch the stem.
MajorMantra is offline  
Old 04-24-12, 07:37 AM
  #5  
Just Plain Slow
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Santa Clarita, CA
Posts: 6,026

Bikes: Lynskey R230

Mentioned: 40 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 297 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 5 Times in 5 Posts
Stems are cheap compared to a catastrophic failure while riding. I'd change it in a heartbeat!
PhotoJoe is offline  
Old 04-24-12, 07:54 AM
  #6  
Senior Member
 
himespau's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 13,459
Mentioned: 33 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4248 Post(s)
Liked 2,961 Times in 1,818 Posts
Originally Posted by PhotoJoe
Stems are cheap compared to facial reconstructive surgery. I'd change it in a heartbeat!
+1
__________________
Bikes: 1996 Eddy Merckx Titanium EX, 1989/90 Colnago Super(issimo?) Piu(?), 1990 Concorde Aquila(hit by car while riding), others in build queue "when I get the time"





himespau is offline  
Old 04-24-12, 08:03 AM
  #7  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
JonnyHK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: London
Posts: 2,420

Bikes: Baum Romano, Brompton S2, Homemade Bamboo!

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 474 Post(s)
Liked 204 Times in 129 Posts
Originally Posted by MajorMantra
Just a theory, but my guess would be that one of the bolt holes in the stem is slightly misaligned and is placing a torsion on the face plate when you tighten the bolts. Any sign of that? In any case you're right to ditch the stem.
Hadn't thought of that. Will check it out.
JonnyHK is offline  
Old 04-24-12, 08:25 AM
  #8  
Senior Member
 
halfspeed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: SE Minnesota
Posts: 12,275

Bikes: are better than yours.

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Originally Posted by JonnyHK
A few months ago (well, almost a year) I had a broken face plate on my stem.

Old thread - https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...eak?highlight=

Today I'm taking the bike down the LBS for a major overhaul (everything off to bare frame) and I notice a small crack on the replacement face plate near one of the bolts. Hasn't gone, but would break in the same manner as the old one.

I've got a torque wrench, I don't bash into things. Am I just unlucky or am I doing something wrong?

Complete new stem will be applied this time - going with 3T.


Bike should ride like new after the overhaul (and a new large chain ring, chain, Gore cable set, etc etc).
Do you understand the correct tightening pattern for four bolt faceplates or are you just relying on your torque wrench?

Also note that at least some 3T stems specify a MAXIMUM torque, so that's not where you want to set your torque wrench.
__________________
Telemachus has, indeed, sneezed.
halfspeed is offline  
Old 04-24-12, 09:08 AM
  #9  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Baltimore, MD
Posts: 155
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
While tightening the stem bolts, did you apply the diagonal / 'star' pattern sequence?

BTW Riding in HONG KONG?! You must be both AWESOME and FREAKING CRAZY!
I spent my entire childhood there and then moved to Boston, MA. I've since logged 10000+ miles on Boston streets. But no matter how much experience I get, I'll NEVER have the guts to ride on Hong Kong Streets...
JimJimex is offline  
Old 04-24-12, 03:15 PM
  #10  
Two-Wheeled Aficionado
 
ColinL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Wichita
Posts: 4,903

Bikes: Santa Cruz Blur TR, Cannondale Quick CX dropbar conversion & others

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 5 Times in 5 Posts
don't buy the 3T stems with titanium bolts... you'll transition from a faceplate cracking issue to a bolt snapping issue.
ColinL is offline  
Old 04-24-12, 03:28 PM
  #11  
jmX
Senior Member
 
jmX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Orange, CA
Posts: 2,201

Bikes: Roubaix / Shiv

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 1 Post
You should try the Ritchy C260 stem. It'll be lighter, and the faceplate could fall completely off the stem and you wouldn't necessarily crash.
jmX is offline  
Old 04-24-12, 03:38 PM
  #12  
Senior Member
 
Fox Farm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Prague, Czech Republic
Posts: 2,751

Bikes: Merlin Extra Light, Orbea Orca, Ritchey Outback,Tomac Revolver Mountain Bike, Cannondale Crit 3.0 now used for time trials.

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 126 Post(s)
Liked 55 Times in 34 Posts
I would support the 3T Ergonova as I have one. Save money and get the less expensive non Ti bolt model. Other choices would be a Thompson and I use a Syncros Factory stem with four bolt cap on one of my road bikes. Super strong design.
Fox Farm is offline  
Old 04-24-12, 05:14 PM
  #13  
Senior Member
 
halfspeed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: SE Minnesota
Posts: 12,275

Bikes: are better than yours.

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Originally Posted by ColinL
don't buy the 3T stems with titanium bolts... you'll transition from a faceplate cracking issue to a bolt snapping issue.
They're fine as long as you don't substitute a torque wrench for your brain.
__________________
Telemachus has, indeed, sneezed.
halfspeed is offline  
Old 04-24-12, 07:23 PM
  #14  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
JonnyHK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: London
Posts: 2,420

Bikes: Baum Romano, Brompton S2, Homemade Bamboo!

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 474 Post(s)
Liked 204 Times in 129 Posts
Yes, I know how to tighten a stem face plate with the right pattern! I even aim for an even gap top and bottom when tight (ie the distance between the face and the main part of the stem).

The failed stem (Deda) did have the Ti bolts, but they look fine. It's the face plate that has the problem.
JonnyHK is offline  
Old 04-24-12, 07:25 PM
  #15  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
JonnyHK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: London
Posts: 2,420

Bikes: Baum Romano, Brompton S2, Homemade Bamboo!

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 474 Post(s)
Liked 204 Times in 129 Posts
Originally Posted by JimJimex
While tightening the stem bolts, did you apply the diagonal / 'star' pattern sequence?

BTW Riding in HONG KONG?! You must be both AWESOME and FREAKING CRAZY!
I spent my entire childhood there and then moved to Boston, MA. I've since logged 10000+ miles on Boston streets. But no matter how much experience I get, I'll NEVER have the guts to ride on Hong Kong Streets...
Crazy I am. Some of the other guys are awesome. I've been given the club Lantern Rouge prize two years in a row now - the guys are amazed I haven't quit yet!

Riding here isn't that bad. Traffic is slower and my (and your) 'western' driving experience puts you way ahead of the curve - I can tell what some cab driver is going to do before he's even thought of it himself.
JonnyHK is offline  
Old 04-24-12, 07:50 PM
  #16  
Bike rider
 
alexaschwanden's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: san jose
Posts: 3,167

Bikes: 2017 Raleigh Clubman

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 17 Post(s)
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Probably just a bad stem face plate, maybe unlucky.
alexaschwanden is offline  
Old 04-24-12, 09:48 PM
  #17  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
JonnyHK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: London
Posts: 2,420

Bikes: Baum Romano, Brompton S2, Homemade Bamboo!

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 474 Post(s)
Liked 204 Times in 129 Posts
Originally Posted by alexaschwanden
Probably just a bad stem face plate, maybe unlucky.

The first one I'm prepared to write off to the heavy impact on the paving (see old thread), but the second one?

Waiting to hear the 'butcher's bill' from the LBS after they've had a chance to take everything off and give it a good look (and to hear the long wait for new parts since the agents in HK don't stock a lot of stuff in bigger sizes...a 44cm handlebar isn't on the Chinese cyclist wish list).
JonnyHK is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
jamesdak
Classic & Vintage
10
01-25-18 06:27 PM
showlow
Bicycle Mechanics
1
09-25-17 01:57 PM
whitemax
Road Cycling
30
04-29-17 06:55 PM
Geosammy
Bicycle Mechanics
40
03-05-15 02:12 PM
matt00park
Bicycle Mechanics
4
01-05-11 01:10 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.