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Road Cycling “It is by riding a bicycle that you learn the contours of a country best, since you have to sweat up the hills and coast down them. Thus you remember them as they actually are, while in a motor car only a high hill impresses you, and you have no such accurate remembrance of country you have driven through as you gain by riding a bicycle.” -- Ernest Hemingway

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Old 05-04-12, 12:17 AM   #76
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no need to be a D-bag, just razzing ya.
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no need to be a D-bag, just razzing ya.
'Razzing me'?

This place is like a Little Rascals episode without the charm.
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Typical 'hilly' ride: http://app.strava.com/rides/7669422

TL;DR: 35mi 3,000ft elevation gain.

p.s. fixed gear.
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There's a small park near me with lots of short and steep hills (compared to what's around). I'll do a 2.75 mile lap, and I'll get about 260 ft elevation gain per lap.
The downside is that my right hand will cramp up from all the shifting.

Usually I'll have to go 50 miles to get as much climbing as I get in 17 miles / 1 hour there doing laps.
Check out the speed and elevation graphs: http://connect.garmin.com/activity/172317602

TL;DR : Illinois is flat.
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So if you can match or exceed the hundreths of miles you log with vertical footage, it's generally a pretty hilly ride. That's what I find.
Just converted my four weeks riding in France last year into your imperial units and came up with 246,063 feet in 1305 miles. There were a few hills...
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Typical 'hilly' ride: http://app.strava.com/rides/7669422

TL;DR: 35mi 3,000ft elevation gain.

p.s. fixed gear.
I don't see any hor categorie climbs in there, hipster scum!
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Just converted my four weeks riding in France last year into your imperial units and came up with 246,063 feet in 1305 miles. There were a few hills...
What you mean is (said in a Crocodile Dundee voice): "That's not a climb....THIS is a climb!"

Nice work!
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Just converted my four weeks riding in France last year into your imperial units and came up with 246,063 feet in 1305 miles. There were a few hills...
I'll say.

I presume you conquered the mighty Col du Fred. What was your average speed?
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Your first example is about 2400 feet in about 30 miles, quite a bit less than 100 feet per mile. Your second is close with almost 4600 feet in 47ish miles.

Your average speed is obviously an attempt at humor.
Your post is obviously an attempt at intellect, which of the first 4 words in my post did you not understand? Also I am using my standard saturday ride as a baseline for an average not very hilly ride so the fact it compares is an indication that I dont copnsider the op ride that hilly - certainly not enough to post about.

I guess this is the 41 tho so you probably thought (in all your fredliness) that the op numbers were a challenge to try and beat. Congratulations on picking up on the well hidden humour tho.

Now stop reading this and go do your once a week 10 mile training ride
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intellect? we don't need so stinking intellect. this is the 41.
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'Razzing me'?

This place is like a Little Rascals episode without the charm.
You use the word 'gumshoe', Spanky.
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What was your average speed?
Wasn't too concerned about average speed, as none of my 21 days riding of the 27 were flat. Some days were easier by virtue of only scheduling one col for the day... Though couldn't afford to go too slow as I didn't swap out my SRM for a compact, so didn't have the gearing to just spin my way up.

I did give Alpe d'Huez and Mont Ventoux via Bedoin a crack - 58:40 to the Tour finish on the Alpe and 1:28:26 on Ventoux.
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Your post is obviously an attempt at intellect, which of the first 4 words in my post did you not understand? Also I am using my standard saturday ride as a baseline for an average not very hilly ride so the fact it compares is an indication that I dont copnsider the op ride that hilly - certainly not enough to post about.

I guess this is the 41 tho so you probably thought (in all your fredliness) that the op numbers were a challenge to try and beat. Congratulations on picking up on the well hidden humour tho.

Now stop reading this and go do your once a week 10 mile training ride
I still don't get it. And it's at least 10.5 miles.
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I like the way you conveniently left out the one definition of VAM that is correct out of your list.

VAM is an acronym for the Italian phrase 'velocità ascensionale media,' which means 'average ascent speed' and is the speed of elevation gain, in meters per hour.

VAM is a measure of fitness and speed and can be useful for making relative comparisons of performances and estimating a rider's power output per kilogram of body mass.

Dr Ferrari, who coined the term, also stated that every one percent increase in average gradient increases VAM by 50. For example, a 1650 VAM (pro cyclist metric) on a climb of 8 percent average grade is a performance equivalent to a VAM of 1700 on 9 percent average grade. Ambient conditions (e.g. friction, air resistance) have less effect on steeper slopes (absorb less power) since speeds are lower than on gentler slopes


The other interesting calculation is W/Kg which can be determined by using this calculator by inputing VAM and the % grade. http://www.cyclingfitness.net/online-vam-calculator/

STRAVA users get their VAM calculated on segments by the software.

To calculate VAM from Feet per hour multiple feet per hour by .3048. So 2000 fph is equal to 609 meters per hour or 609 VAM.
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I like the way you conveniently left out the one definition of VAM that is correct out of your list.
The degree to which you don't get it is truly astonishing.

NOBODY, absolutely zero point zero zero percent of the population at large could give a flying fark about anything bicycle related, hence the utter absence of this most obscure (and pointless) of acronyms from a general list of acronym definitions.

I've been involved in riding and racing for 20 years (hell, I'm racing tomorrow) and I've never heard that one. Dr. Ferrari. Good grief, do I strike you as some friggin EPO juicing Euro pro? I'm a fat, slow, grizzled 54 year old dude who will have a hard time hanging onto the 45+ kids in Prospect in the AM.

Try not to be such a staggering velo idiot. Although you are in the right place, so you get points for that.
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The Utter Fail is strong with this thread.


I blame myself.



But I do uphold the finest 41 Tradition.
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Give up on cycling old man.
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Give up on cycling old man.
I may not be the oldest guy in tomorrow's 45+ race kid.

Besides, I have cycling crap older than you.

I'll retire from cycling when I am unable to pedal a bicycle at all. I rode long before I ever raced, and I will be riding long after I stop racing.

You really don't get Pcad Cycling Zen.

No Cycling Zen for you Fredly.
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I may not be the oldest guy in tomorrow's 45+ race kid.

Besides, I have cycling crap older than you.

I'll retire from cycling when I am unable to pedal a bicycle at all. I rode long before I ever raced, and I will be riding long after I stop racing.

You really don't get Pcad Cycling Zen.

No Cycling Zen for you Fredly.
Why is every sentence a new paragraph?
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Why is every sentence a new paragraph?
Because it's far more dramatic.

Don't you think?
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Why is every sentence a new paragraph?
Incorrect.
3rd & 4th sentences are in the same paragraph.
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Why do I look at threads started by P-cad?
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Here are the results for 'VAM' acronym definitions you self absorbed road nazi nitwit:

Acronym Definition
VAM Vinyl Acetate Monomer
VAM Vesicular-Arbuscular Mycorrhizae
VAM Ventilation Air Methane
VAM Virginia Association of Museums
VAM Vitt Ariskt Motstånd (Sweden)
VAM Vitt Ariskt Motstånd (Swedish: White Aryan Resistance)
VAM Verwertungsgesellschaft für Audiovisuelle Medien (Vienna, Austria)
VAM Vulnerability Assessment and Mapping (UN)
VAM Virtual Appliance Marketplace (VMware)
VAM Virtual Access Method
VAM Voluntary Action Manchester
VAM Value-Added Module
VAM Van Allen and Mallis (coin quality rating)
VAM Value Added Manufacturing
VAM Velocita Ascensionale Media (Italian: average climbing speed)
VAM Value-Added Measure
VAM Vuil Afvoer Maatschappij (Dutch waste disposal company)
VAM Vapour Absorption Machine (India)
VAM Vegetable, Animal, Mineral (hair tonic)
VAM Video Area Manager
VAM Migraine Associated Vertigo
VAM VPN Accelerated Module (Cisco Systems, Inc.)
VAM Vacuum Advance Mechanism
VAM Vibration Acoustical Monitoring
VAM Vehicle Allocation Matrix
VAM Venice Arts Mecca (California)
VAM Attack Squadron, Medium
VAM Vista Asset Management (military logistics system)
VAM Value Approximation Method (baseball statistical analysis)
VAM Vane Adjustment Machine (turbine motors)
VAM Visual Arts Museum (various locations)

Pick one.

Wait. Never mind. Nobody cares.
I noticed this the first time I looked at the list. How did no one else?
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