Marto32

Yes, I searched up and down these forums before posting this. I've been considering a few different wheels for an upgrade and I believe I've landed on the Vitesse alloy clincher (originally between Boyd's 50mm clincher and the Vitesse). However, Neuvation is having a sale on the R28A's so I wanted to check here to see what everyone has to say before I pull the trigger on a set.

For some quick background, I'm leaning towards the Vitesse vs. the 50mm carbon clincher because I don't feel like I am experienced enough to:

a) Notice the difference in aero quality over the Vitesse
b) break out of the pack during a race for a long enough pull to need the aero advantage

I ride a Felt F85, I'm 183lbs and I train on fairly flat terrain - the hills I ride on are around 4 - 8% grade. I plan on using these wheels for racing only however, something tells me I'll want to use them much more often as I expect my ride quality to improve.

The other wheel brands/makers I was considering were: Soul, Mavic, Williams and Psimet (I never got a response from him and feel like his prices would be above my range anyways).

Here are the websites for both wheels:

https://www.boydcycling.com/vitesse-alloy-clincher/

https://www.neuvationcycling.com/prod...black-1481.htm

The one thing that jumps out at me immediately regarding the neuvations is the low spoke count. 16/20 seems like it would be very unstable at race speeds with a 183 pound rider.. Especially since Boyd's direction is to go with the 24/28 at my weight.

What are your experiences with these wheels? I don't expect to make this investment today, but if the consensus is that the neuvations will be the better option, I will likely try and take advantage of this sale.

M

PS - I am also vaguely considering the option of saving up and going with the 50mm carbons..

EDIT: Forgot to mention that I currently ride on stock CXP22's.

bianchi10

I have the Boyd 30mm vitesse and love them. They are light, look great and have been durable. At first I didn't get a huge WOW factor, but that's because my expectations were to high. I had an issue with my rear wheel and had to send it back. During that time, my buddy let me use a set of his heavier eastons. I used those for 2 weeks and I could really feel the difference of weight. I got my rear wheel back and could then immediately feel the difference in weight. (I hadn't ridden in over a month before buying my boyds so I didn't have the recent memory of how it felt between the boyds and my original wheels) After having wheels to compare from a days ride another ride the follwing day, it was more clear.

The aero advantage wasn't huge either. Over 20 MPH and cross wind is where I would tell the difference. I am 180-185lbs. and the wheels seems to be very sturdy and durable. I was considering the SOUL's also but it came down to 2 things. 1) I liked the look of the boyds more 2) the weight wouldn't take as long to get them.

IMO Neuvations just look cheap

Business810

At that price, the Neuvations are a pretty amazing deal. I've been riding on an older set of R28 Aeros for a few years and am quite happy with them. I'm a bit lighter at 165 lbs, but they have stayed true on our awful roads here.

Marto32

Right, I've had my eye on the Boyd's for a while but those neuvations seem like an unbelievable value. Has anyone here ridden both?

plpete

I'm at about 3000+ miles on my older Neuvation R28 wheels and have been very happy. They roll great and are strong. I've hit quite a few potholes expecting to knock the rim out of true with my 170lbs but nothing. True as day one. John Neugent is said to provide top notch customer service too and includes extra spokes should you break one. If you're on a budget or even not Neuvations are a no brainer unless you're looking for a super lightweight wheels set.

Marto32

My main concern is spin-up. I'd like to see most of the improvement in acceleration as well as holding speed. I'm not so concerned with climbing and I think both sets are very similar in terms of cornering (based on the reviews/posts I've read).

plpete

No problems with accelerating here. They get up to speed quite easily and like to stay there. Of course they're not aero by any means at about 27mm rim depth but from my 3000+ mile experience the motor needs more work than the wheels. There are many options out there but I feel like the Neuvations are the best bang for the buck, especially with the current sale, in this category and will serve you just fine until/if you decide to upgrade to something deeper. That is my plan.

canam73

You'd have to be a pretty highly calibrated device to notice a difference in 'spin up' between 2 mid level aluminum clincher wheelsets of similar weight with the same tires at the same pressure. Unless one of them has a bad hub or something.

cks

I have about 3000 miles on M28's and about 500 on R 28's. I think you'll be pretty happy with either although if you ride flat terrain, M28's may be just as good a choice ( and usually cheaper).

RT

I have heard that the Forte Titan is pretty much a re-badged M28, but cannot confirm. It is a 16/20 (if I recall correctly) spoke count, and I am 195 lbs. No problems whatsoever with true or strength after several thousand miles. Solid wheels.

mwandaw

I have 1,500+ miles on a set of Neuvation R28s and have had no trouble at all with them. They are WAY better than the ALX wheels they replaced, but I must admit I have not tried any of the other wheels mentioned in this post.

For perspective, my signature is an accurate description of my riding abilities, and I weigh about 150 lbs.

Standalone 

M28 has been awesome for me, and I'm your weight exactly. I don't consider the weight savings in the hub of the R28 worth the faster wear factor.

blcknspo0ln

Anyone know the overall weight of the R28s?

plpete

My set of R28 wheels weighs in a 1651 grams with rim tape. No skewers.

pdedes

I have the r28's, an m28 rear and boyd 50mm carbon. For a training wheel get the m28, the steel freehub is worth it. If you do get the r28 wheelset, get the american classic clip kit to save the alum. freehub from getting chewed up. I'm a former cat 1., and find the neuvations a bit flexy under high loads, but a decent training wheel. The boyd wheelset is fantastic.

Marto32

Wouldn't something like this come with the cassette? I just ordered a 10 speed 105 from performance today.

pdedes

I use the clip kits on all my aluminum freehubs.

SlowOlympian

Sorry for the thread ressurection, but ive had difficulty logging in, been awhile since i last logged in. Ive been weighing these options as well(boyd vs neuvation) as well as some soul 3.0's. i was wondering if there was a better option for a lighter rider. im 135lbs.

also, havent seen anything really anti-neuvation which is good, but the boyds being 200+ grams lighter, is it worth saving up for the boyds? i dont race, but plan on it once im faster. my income is low, but i dont mind splurging on bike stuff. riding a 2011 specialized allez elite.

thanks in advance!

cks

By my calculation, Boyds weigh 1831gms (rims + hubs)- more than M28's (rims +hubs around 1720-1740g depending on the review) which is neuvation's heaviest wheel. If weight mean that much to you, you can buy 2 new sets of M28's or R28A's for the price of one set of Boyds and still ride a lighter wheel.

coachboyd

Actually, the Vitesse weigh just under 1500 grams in the 20/24 spoke count and just over 1500 grams in the 24/28 spoke count. That weight does not include skewers or rim strips.

renton

Where can you buy those clips? I tried American Classics website but couldn't find them.

Marto32

Here's a link. But I'm wondering if they really help or not?..

https://www.amclassic.com/store/page19.html

cks

I guess i'm a little confused (which is not at all impossible) and also not good at math. Ok,according to the web site for 20/24 for those weighing less than 180lbs:

https://www.boydcycling.com/vitesse-alloy-clincher/

Front: 660gm
Rear: 818gm
Hub (Fr): 76gm
Hub (R): 211gm

Total: 1765 gm.

Am I wrong?

RT

I think the hub weight is already included in the weight of the wheel as listed. This would make the wheels 1,478 g.

Not to take you too much to task, Coach, but why such a low weight limit on 20/24's (180 lbs)? I have ridden over two thousand miles at close to 200 lbs on my Forte Titans (16/20), and they have held up rock solid. They claim to weigh 1,790 g, so that may be the difference there - just lighter/less rugged components on the Vitesse?

coachboyd

For weight limits on the Vitesse we have this listed:
*Weight limit - 215 pounds 20/24 - 240 pounds 24/28
*Spoke count recommendation - under 180 pounds 20/24 - 180 pounds and over 24/28

We recommend riders over 180 pounds to go for the higher spoke count. You can ride the 20/24 spoke count at 200 pounds no problem, but adding the extra 4 spokes on each wheel adds to the overall strength and durability and only adds about 20 grams per wheel so going to the higher spoke count is a great option.