Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Road Cycling
Reload this Page >

Double/Triple Swap question

Search
Notices
Road Cycling “It is by riding a bicycle that you learn the contours of a country best, since you have to sweat up the hills and coast down them. Thus you remember them as they actually are, while in a motor car only a high hill impresses you, and you have no such accurate remembrance of country you have driven through as you gain by riding a bicycle.” -- Ernest Hemingway

Double/Triple Swap question

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 01-06-05, 07:38 PM
  #1  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 62

Bikes: Trek 5000, Cannondale F700

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Double/Triple Swap question

I have a 2004 Trek 5000 with a 53/39 in the front. Considering riding the ride the rockies tour this summer and think I may want to consider swapping in a triple because there is a good deal of climbing on this tour. So my question is: Can I just buy a new triple for the front and swap it in? It is an option on the bike when new, but I am not sure if there are any other components I need to change.

I like to climb and seek out the biggest hills around during my rides, but I don't have anything nearby that could compare with what I might find in Colorado. Anybody have any thoughts on whether I should consider a swap like this?
ShredSkelton is offline  
Old 01-06-05, 07:42 PM
  #2  
He drop me
 
Grasschopper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Central PA
Posts: 11,664

Bikes: '03 Marin Mill Valley, '02 Eddy Merckx Corsa 0.1, '12 Giant Defy Advance, '20 Giant Revolt 1, '20 Giant Defy Advanced Pro 1, some random 6KU fixie

Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 138 Post(s)
Liked 12 Times in 9 Posts
At a min you will need a new BB (wider) the cranks (duh) and a front derailluer made for a triple. Depending on the shifters you have you may need new shifters as well (well the left one). You also need a bit of extra chain so a new chain is in order and with the new chain you may need a new rear derailluer to take up the slack of the extra chain. Simple.
__________________
The views expressed by this poster do not reflect the views of BikeForums.net.
Grasschopper is offline  
Old 01-06-05, 08:00 PM
  #3  
Senior Member
 
sydney's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 9,428
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Originally Posted by Grasschopper
You also need a bit of extra chain so a new chain is in order.........
Ya don't need a longer chain just because of a triple.
sydney is offline  
Old 01-06-05, 08:03 PM
  #4  
Senior Member
 
sydney's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 9,428
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Originally Posted by ShredSkelton
I have a 2004 Trek 5000 with a 53/39 in the front. Considering riding the ride the rockies tour this summer and think I may want to consider swapping in a triple because there is a good deal of climbing on this tour. So my question is: Can I just buy a new triple for the front and swap it in? It is an option on the bike when new, but I am not sure if there are any other components I need to change.

I like to climb and seek out the biggest hills around during my rides, but I don't have anything nearby that could compare with what I might find in Colorado. Anybody have any thoughts on whether I should consider a swap like this?
Consider a compact double. You could get by with just a crankset change. You could also hook that up with a shimano custom 13x30 cassette from sheldon brown, if a 27 cog isn't big enough. Otherwise, you need crank,BB FD and the RD for triple is optional.
sydney is offline  
Old 01-06-05, 08:53 PM
  #5  
Senior Member
 
cale's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Seattle
Posts: 3,248

Bikes: Kuota Ksano. Litespeed T5 gravel - brilliant!

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 4 Times in 4 Posts
Originally Posted by sydney
Ya don't need a longer chain just because of a triple.
Well actually...if you want to maintain proper rear derailleur position, and you'll probably need a long cage rear derailleur to take up the slack when you're on that little chainring, you'll need more chain to accommodate the long cage rear derailleur.
cale is offline  
Old 01-07-05, 05:09 AM
  #6  
Senior Member
 
Retro Grouch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: St Peters, Missouri
Posts: 30,225

Bikes: Catrike 559 I own some others but they don't get ridden very much.

Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1572 Post(s)
Liked 643 Times in 364 Posts
Originally Posted by cale
Well actually...if you want to maintain proper rear derailleur position, and you'll probably need a long cage rear derailleur to take up the slack when you're on that little chainring, you'll need more chain to accommodate the long cage rear derailleur.
Nope, derailleur cage length isn't a factor in determining chain length. When you're in the big/big the derailleur arm extends horizontally and thkes the same amount of chain whether long or short cage.

You do need a long cage rear derailleur to take up the chain slack in the little/little combination but, if you're like me, you only use the granny chainring with the biggest 2 or 3 cogs anyway so I don't ever use that much slack take up capability.

If you also change to a bigger cassette, you'll need a longer chain to accommodate that. If you're only switching cranksets, you're probably going from a 53 big ring to a 52 big ring so you obviously don't need a longer chain for that.
Retro Grouch is offline  
Old 01-07-05, 10:42 AM
  #7  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 62

Bikes: Trek 5000, Cannondale F700

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanks for the information. This looks like it may be a little more involved/expensive than I had hoped for. Think I will probably stick with the double. Never walked yet....
ShredSkelton is offline  
Old 01-07-05, 04:51 PM
  #8  
Senior Member
 
Everest's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Iowa City, Iowa / Island Park, Idaho
Posts: 778

Bikes: Lemond Alpe d'Huez, 03 Gary Fisher Tassjara, Quattro Assi Scandium

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Ive got the exact opposite question ive got a triple bike and in iowa we dont have many hills so i want to go double what would i need for that

ShredSkelton: If you still want to go triple maybe we could trade parts i pmed you as well so let me know
Everest is offline  
Old 01-07-05, 04:57 PM
  #9  
Senior Member
 
LordOpie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Denver
Posts: 3,698

Bikes: 2006 custom Walt Works roadie, 2003 Fuji Finest (road), 2002 Giant Iguana (mtb), 1986 BMW K75 (motor)

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by ShredSkelton
Thanks for the information. This looks like it may be a little more involved/expensive than I had hoped for. Think I will probably stick with the double. Never walked yet....
unless you're in great shape, used to climbing -and- have good knees... well, you better do something to help you climb.
LordOpie is offline  
Old 01-07-05, 05:08 PM
  #10  
Senior Member
 
sydney's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 9,428
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Originally Posted by cale
Well actually...if you want to maintain proper rear derailleur position, and you'll probably need a long cage rear derailleur to take up the slack when you're on that little chainring, you'll need more chain to accommodate the long cage rear derailleur.
Not really, and it all depends on how the chain is sized. if it's done big big without going thru the derailer and the big cog doesn't change then chain length doesn't change either.Doesn't matter is if it's long or short caage. One doesn't have to use a long cage with a triple either. If one does use a long cage and sizes the chain small/small going thru the derailer,then the chain probably does need to be longer.Point is it doesn't have to be.
sydney is offline  
Old 01-07-05, 05:10 PM
  #11  
Senior Member
 
sydney's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 9,428
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Originally Posted by Everest
Ive got the exact opposite question ive got a triple bike and in iowa we dont have many hills so i want to go double what would i need for that

ShredSkelton: If you still want to go triple maybe we could trade parts i pmed you as well so let me know
To make it like a factory setup,you need crankset,BB FD and RD.
sydney is offline  
Old 01-07-05, 05:16 PM
  #12  
Senior Member
 
sydney's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 9,428
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Originally Posted by Retro Grouch
Nope, derailleur cage length isn't a factor in determining chain length. When you're in the big/big the derailleur arm extends horizontally and thkes the same amount of chain whether long or short cage.
It does if you size the chain small/small going thru the derailer and cut chain so it doesn't doesn't drag on the cage.The C-40 method, that allows any casette the derailer is SPECED for to be used,assuming the correct RD for the application, without worrying about chain length. I would always check the big/big just to be sure tho.
sydney is offline  
Old 01-07-05, 05:23 PM
  #13  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 62

Bikes: Trek 5000, Cannondale F700

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Everest
Ive got the exact opposite question ive got a triple bike and in iowa we dont have many hills so i want to go double what would i need for that

ShredSkelton: If you still want to go triple maybe we could trade parts i pmed you as well so let me know
I am probably going to keep my double. I don't need the triple normally....
ShredSkelton is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.