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Old 05-22-12, 07:13 PM   #1
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Stupid dog wrecked me.

On my usual route this afternoon and what looked like a Mastiff was laying along the edge of road. I get all the way to opposite side of and pick up the speed some hoping that he'll ignore me or at least I'll be fast enough to just blow by. When I got close to him he launched and somehow got directly in front of me and seemed to stop. It's hard to say really other than I wound up T-boning him at 20+. The dog ran under a house and disappeared, I guess he changed his train of thought after taking a shot like that in the ribs. I went to the door of the house he went under and no one would answer, so I went to the neighbors who were outside and they confirmed that he lived at the house he was hiding under.

I called the cops and animal control, the cops showed up in a couple of minutes but animal control had gone home for the day but the officer told me he would hang around and wait on them and the owner.

Now I'm missing all sorts of hide on the elbows and knees and my left palm that was just healing from the last crash gets to start that whole process over. The only upside is that for it's flaws and cheapness the Prelude seems to be pretty well bullet proof. Just a some good scarring on the aeros and left brake lever, and a tear on the seat. That's the 2nd good crash I've had in the last couple of months and it's held up well enough. If I had bent a wheel or something I might have waited along with the police. I know those wheels are not expensive but it's really the principle of the thing.
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Old 05-22-12, 07:25 PM   #2
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I hear ya man. I had a dog chase me at about 28 mph for over 3 minutes a few weeks ago. Fortunately my riding partner was slower than me and eventually the dog gave up. The dog was so tired from chasing us that it couldn't bark anymore--tough dog!
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Old 05-22-12, 07:32 PM   #3
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I don't know what it is about cyclists, but I swear dogs enjoy chasing us just for the sport. They are smart animals and know we are not out to harm them or their owner's property, yet they still feel the need to chase us with everything they have! It's pretty amazing at how long they will chase sometimes.
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Sorry to hear about your crash. Heal up.

I think the think with dogs is instinctual. They see us going by, at speed, legs churning, and we look enough like an antelope or gazelle (well some do, not me) that their hunting instincts kick in.

I could be totally wrong but the look in their eyes suggests I'm not too far off.
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Dogs are bad enough, it's kids running into the road that are even worse. I've had a couple suddenly run out in front of me at the last moment the past month or so. I would hate to crash into one and wreck my new bike.
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When I got close to him he launched and somehow got directly in front of me and seemed to stop. It's hard to say really other than I wound up T-boning him at 20+.
I've had stupid dogs try that with me. I think it comes from pack behaviour where one animal gets in front of the prey to slow/stop it, so the rest of the pack can pile on to bring it down.
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I hear ya man. I had a dog chase me at about 28 mph for over 3 minutes a few weeks ago.
3 minutes @ 28mph? Good god, you must have had to dial it up past 500w for that one.

With all the dog horror stories I read on BF I will turn around and take an alternate street if I see a medium to large dog off leash here in suburbia.
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next time...bunny hop
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I do a lot of my riding in a very rural area where loose dogs are a fact of life. The one thing I've learned is, unless you have a good lead on the dog, never speed up. Slow down so you can stop if the dog happens to get in your way. Most won't but the faster you're going the less chance you can avoid or stop if need be.

Hope you heal up quickly.
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I almost nailed a dog going down Balcom Canyon Road(near Moorpark,CA) going about 40mph.
For those of you who have done this climb you might have seen the dog near the bottom. He usually sits on the side of the road and chases cyclists.
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I do a lot of my riding in a very rural area where loose dogs are a fact of life. The one thing I've learned is, unless you have a good lead on the dog, never speed up. Slow down so you can stop if the dog happens to get in your way. Most won't but the faster you're going the less chance you can avoid or stop if need be.

Hope you heal up quickly.
this so true.

My dog has thing about skateboarders. He's taken out 3. I actually agreec with the dog on all three occasions. He has good instincts, however poor execution.
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When I got close to him he launched and somehow got directly in front of me and seemed to stop. It's hard to say really other than I wound up T-boning him at 20+. The dog ran under a house and disappeared, I guess he changed his train of thought after taking a shot like that in the ribs.
Rectum? Darn near killed 'em!
Sorry, couldn't resist. I hope you end up owning the house that dog ran under. And if you get the dog in the settlement, you'll probably keep him leashed. The owner deserves to be dogless and homeless. Might sound harsh, but you could have ended up in a wheelchair or worse. No excuse.
I've run into a few Deliverance dogs; best approach is to remove eye protection, regulate speed based upon position of the dog, and say the word NO in your most authoritative, Drill Sergeant Hartman voice. I've saved my own skin a few times, and at least two dogs' lives.

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Old 05-22-12, 10:34 PM   #13
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I'm pretty surprised your front wheel and fork survived hitting a huge dog at 20+mph.
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I don't know what it is about cyclists, but I swear dogs enjoy chasing us just for the sport. They are smart animals and know we are not out to harm them or their owner's property, yet they still feel the need to chase us with everything they have! It's pretty amazing at how long they will chase sometimes.
A few dogs will assume you're out to harm their owner half the time, that's why they're chasing you, they are chasing you off in their minds. The vast majority of dogs (99%) are chasing you because that's fun, they really don't want to catch you. VERY few dogs will catch you and actually bite you, and you can ward off some of those by exhibiting anger and outrage at the animal instead of fear. I've done this many times over 20+ years of daily road cycling. I have a large dog now, I trained him, I learned quite a bit about dog psychology through all this. Dogs are pack animals, it's 99% about letting the friggin dog know who's boss, very few dogs will permeate that, but they smell fear and that's the kiss of death with the rare truly aggressive dog (there aren't really too many).
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I will pay cash to see a video of someone who can bunny hop a bull mastiff at 20 mph
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Bunny hop a mastiff??
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I was riding the MUP today and there was this elderly man (at least I'm pretty sure it was a man) with an elderly dog (without a leash). The dog had it's eyes almost closed and it was walking with it's head low and his shoulders pointing up like it was so tired it was just resting its entire body weight on its legs. It was sad, but something inside of me said "that dog is going to jump out at you!" So I moved over as far as I could away from the dog, and sure enough... The dog just continued walking with its owner. Lol, as uneventful as it gets.
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Today, coming to an intersection I heard barking and see a little white poodle in an SUV standing on the seat with it's front legs on the window jam with the window wide open. It barked at me, quite loudly, for at least 50 yards before it got to me and another 50 yards after it passed me. I had to laugh, but I wondered what the little guy would do if I rode past his yard while he was unrestrained.
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3 minutes @ 28mph? Good god, you must have had to dial it up past 500w for that one.

With all the dog horror stories I read on BF I will turn around and take an alternate street if I see a medium to large dog off leash here in suburbia.
I don't know how many watts it takes, but let's just say I wish I was in the 52 ring instead of the 39...because I don't think I've ever gone that fast in 39x12.
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Old 05-23-12, 05:31 AM   #21
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I couldn't bunny hop a flattened out beer can.

Maybe I'll try the slow down and yell trick next time, I just hope it's a while down the road. I'll most likely adjust my route and stay off that street for a few weeks.
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I'm pretty surprised your front wheel and fork survived hitting a huge dog at 20+mph.
That was actually my first thought so I didn't even pick up my bike for a few minutes because I didn't even want to see what shape my wheel was in. But all is well it seems.
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My dog has thing about skateboarders. He's taken out 3. I actually agreec with the dog on all three occasions. He has good instincts, however poor execution.
Man, I hope you have your dog restrained in your yard somehow. Letting them roam is **** dog ownership.



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A few dogs will assume you're out to harm their owner half the time, that's why they're chasing you, they are chasing you off in their minds. The vast majority of dogs (99%) are chasing you because that's fun, they really don't want to catch you. VERY few dogs will catch you and actually bite you, and you can ward off some of those by exhibiting anger and outrage at the animal instead of fear. I've done this many times over 20+ years of daily road cycling. I have a large dog now, I trained him, I learned quite a bit about dog psychology through all this. Dogs are pack animals, it's 99% about letting the friggin dog know who's boss, very few dogs will permeate that, but they smell fear and that's the kiss of death with the rare truly aggressive dog (there aren't really too many).
This is all true. Most of the dogs I come in contact with respond pretty well to a loud and forceful "stay" command, the others just like to run with the bikes. I have had two or three who just didin't listen and I stopped and ordered them back into their yards. It worked. They certainly respond poorly to someone who is showing fear, so the best thing to do is show them you are at the top of the food chain and you are the boss.


Sevenmag, I hope you heal up well and most importantly the bike is okay.
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Ever watch dogs in a dog park together? They love to chase another dog in circles, or they love to be chased. As long as it involves running it's a good thing. Also when they get in front of another running dog it stops or changes the direction of the other running dog. He did not know your bicycle would not stop just like another dog.

I own the smallest of the herding breeds. They are bred to herd cattle. With another big dog, my dog will try and chase, and control him. If they don't run he will try and annoy them so much they chase him. He would rather chase a Bull Mastif, instead of another small dog. I think he perceives the big animals as cattle to control. That's exactly what he was bred to do for 500 years. It's the humans that bred them for that particular trait. The dogs had no control over that.

Dogs chase, and get excited when they run. It's up to the owner to understand this, and control the dog.

The dog was just being a dog. Unfortunately it's hard to know sometimes what the dogs intentions really are. I stop, it works. With the correct body language, not looking at them, and relaxed muscle tension in your body almost all dog's get bored with you. Putting the
bike between you and the dog and walking slowly away reduces the "chase" reaction. Don't look into the eyes , or directly at him, and always face the side of your body to the dog. The side is an easier target in a fight. You are saying, " I don't want to fight".
On a flat surface you can't outrun a medium or bigger dog on a bicycle. They let you think you just got away. Plenty of dogs can go 30 - 40 mph. Even some old tired looking dogs can hit 35.
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I know it is unbelievable but there is not one loose dog on any of my regular routes and there are darned few that are even close enough that their barking gets my attention. Good thing for the dog is all I can say.
When I was in college I drove a 10 wheel truck. I have removed dozens if not hundreds of chasing dogs from this planet.
I love friendly animals but won't put up with attacking animals of any kind. I think people have become that way because there are much fewer of these kinds of dogs out loose every day.
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