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    Shifter throw length...difference between 105 and higher end shifters

    I have a 105 groupset on my 2007 trek, not exactly sure what model number it is. I find that the shifting is smooth enough, but I really get annoyed at the long shifter throw length when moving to a larger cog/chainwheel.

    I am considering upgrading to ultegra 6700 shifters, 10 speed cassette, and 6700 RD. I would like a different size cassette, and having 10 speeds but its going to be hard to justify the cost of upgrading to ultegra shifters unless I will see a difference in throw length.

    If the 6700 stuff is not a big difference, I'd be open to SRAM or campy stuff if they are.

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    If you are using 105 and anything less than 10 speeds, it is pre-5600. You will hear that Ultegra 6700 are the best shifting mechanical levers out there.

    I personally abhor Shimano throw on all levers, so I use Microshift instead. I cannot speak for SRAM or Campy, but I am Campy-curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RTDub View Post
    I am Campy-curious.
    me too

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    Quote Originally Posted by RTDub View Post
    If you are using 105 and anything less than 10 speeds, it is pre-5600. You will hear that Ultegra 6700 are the best shifting mechanical levers out there.

    I personally abhor Shimano throw on all levers, so I use Microshift instead. I cannot speak for SRAM or Campy, but I am Campy-curious.
    have you tried 6700 levers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustinNY View Post
    have you tried 6700 levers?
    No, but even if they are better, I am not going to throw more money at Shimano just to fix a throw issue. My Microshift does just fine.


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    Campy seems to have a bit more throw than is needed too. Doesn't bother me when riding on the hoods. When in the drops, as I push the lever to shift to a larger cog, I can also pull the lever towards me a bit, effectively shortening the throw because my fingers don't have to stretch as far, so it's not really an issue in the drops either.
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    I HATED 6700... 6600 was awesome. Campy now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by garciawork View Post
    I HATED 6700... 6600 was awesome. Campy now!
    details on why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Homebrew01 View Post
    Campy seems to have a bit more throw than is needed too. Doesn't bother me when riding on the hoods. When in the drops, as I push the lever to shift to a larger cog, I can also pull the lever towards me a bit, effectively shortening the throw because my fingers don't have to stretch as far, so it's not really an issue in the drops either.

    Sometimes it feels like Im leaning my whole body to move the shifter far enough to engage, very unnatural

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    I raced last weekend on my new bike with Centaur 2010 shifters and was quite happy with them. Quick shifts in both directions without really thinking about it.
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    I think I remember reading that the latest generation Shimano stuff 105, ultegra, DA has shorter throws. Is this true?

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    105/5700 has pretty short throws. For me, it's just a fingertip movement.

    However - it also has a huge advantage: A longer throw (on the big lever) takes you up 2 cogs, and a really long throw takes you up 3. Those are long throws, to be sure, but I like the ability to change 1, 2, or 3 cogs at a time.

    (It would be cool if the small lever would allow me to drop to 1, 2, or 3 smaller rings as well.)
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    You people have an amazing ability to come up with reasons to replace a perfectly functional bike part!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DGlenday View Post
    105/5700 has pretty short throws. For me, it's just a fingertip movement.

    However - it also has a huge advantage: A longer throw (on the big lever) takes you up 2 cogs, and a really long throw takes you up 3. Those are long throws, to be sure, but I like the ability to change 1, 2, or 3 cogs at a time.

    (It would be cool if the small lever would allow me to drop to 1, 2, or 3 smaller rings as well.)
    Not to poo-poo your good experience, but my Microshift does this. Three at a time is beyond my needs, but two is handy sometimes.

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    You've got 105 5600.No problem with changing front cogs on mine.
    It sounds more like the front derailler cable has gone slack,try re-adjusting it,cos it gets stretched every 6 months or so.
    Changing to 5700/6700 with do jack sh$t

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiantDefyGuy View Post
    You people have an amazing ability to come up with reasons to replace a perfectly functional bike part!
    If I dont like the movement of a mechanical part and there is a mechanical part out there that has a movement that I would prefer, why wouldnt I replace it?

    How is this different than getting a bike fitted?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RTDub View Post
    If you are using 105 and anything less than 10 speeds, it is pre-5600. You will hear that Ultegra 6700 are the best shifting mechanical levers out there.

    I personally abhor Shimano throw on all levers, so I use Microshift instead. I cannot speak for SRAM or Campy, but I am Campy-curious.
    Quote Originally Posted by brundle_fly View Post
    You've got 105 5600.No problem with changing front cogs on mine.
    It sounds more like the front derailler cable has gone slack,try re-adjusting it,cos it gets stretched every 6 months or so.
    Changing to 5700/6700 with do jack sh$t
    Some conflicting information here

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustinNY View Post
    Some conflicting information here
    I had a Fuji Cross that had 5600. It was a ten speed. New Tiagra 4600 is old 5600.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustinNY View Post
    If I dont like the movement of a mechanical part and there is a mechanical part out there that has a movement that I would prefer, why wouldnt I replace it?

    How is this different than getting a bike fitted?
    You want to upgrade your bike, and that's fine. You've got the "upgrade bug." And there's nothing wrong with that.

    But don't pretend that it's because of the shifter throw distance. What's so different about you that you can't operate a shifter that the entire rest of the world can use? You have shifters that other people upgrade TO.

    And this is totally different than a fitting because your bike fits you now. Add a set of brand new $300 shifters, and it will STILL fit.

    I wasn't trying to insult you. I just said that you guys can come up with reasons to replace good stuff. And sihfter throw distance is one of those reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DGlenday View Post
    105/5700 has pretty short throws. For me, it's just a fingertip movement.

    However - it also has a huge advantage: A longer throw (on the big lever) takes you up 2 cogs, and a really long throw takes you up 3. Those are long throws, to be sure, but I like the ability to change 1, 2, or 3 cogs at a time.

    (It would be cool if the small lever would allow me to drop to 1, 2, or 3 smaller rings as well.)
    Are you saying that 5700 levers allow a 3 cog upshift?

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    Nah,new Tiagra 4600 isn't finished as well as 5600.I've got both chainsets.The Tiagra also has sora steel chain ring,and other sora parts and some from 150

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    Ny.A 2007 bike should have 10 speed 105,unless it is an 05-06 model,or u bought it used and the owner put the old 9 speed on it

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    Quote Originally Posted by RTDub View Post
    I personally abhor Shimano throw on all levers, so I use Microshift instead. I cannot speak for SRAM or Campy, but I am Campy-curious.
    I had Microshift 9 speed installed and functional, and am in the process of switching to a mixed Campy Veloce / Centaur group (shifters are only Veloce piece). I liked the Microshift stuff for functionally, but the incredibly loud click when shifting drove me nuts. And the left shifter took a very long throw to shift, even with my big hands.

    May end up a tragic mistake. Time will tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brundle_fly View Post
    Nah,new Tiagra 4600 isn't finished as well as 5600.I've got both chainsets.The Tiagra also has sora steel chain ring,and other sora parts and some from 150
    Sorry, I meant levers. Trickle-down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redlude97 View Post
    Are you saying that 5700 levers allow a 3 cog upshift?
    Yes. 6700 levers do it, too.

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