New $15K Trek Madone why not go Custom??
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+1 in the last comment, even you will have money to get a custom paint job in that pedal force too.
At those prices they wont see me in a trek ever, and why to have a trek if i have a DeRosa?
The issue with trek is that you see them everywhere, not bad bikes but they went massive and even a pedal force is a bike rare to see in the road. Have seen 2 pedal force in the road versus like 500 treks. If you want something no massive get a pedal force, no kidding...
Good luck to the ones that have the dough
At those prices they wont see me in a trek ever, and why to have a trek if i have a DeRosa?
The issue with trek is that you see them everywhere, not bad bikes but they went massive and even a pedal force is a bike rare to see in the road. Have seen 2 pedal force in the road versus like 500 treks. If you want something no massive get a pedal force, no kidding...
Good luck to the ones that have the dough
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But the person buying that 15K Trek already has been to Italy many times and may even own a villa in Tuscany. It changes the perspective of what the value of a dollar is when you have many.
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Won't sell? There are lots of bikes being sold at those prices.
Custom is good only if you have unusaul body dimensions
Custom is good only if you have unusaul body dimensions
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That's not who buys the majority of $15K bikes. They are enthusiasts that just want a top end bike and make it ther priority. In return, they pass up many other things as ther spending choices.
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I bet some people are too antsy to wait long enough for a custom frame. Also some people like to ride the same bikes as the pros, so this could be a reason they go production frame over a custom.
You could argue that anybody who buys a $5k+ production frame is paying as much if not more than many who go custom. Personally, I agree with the notion mentioned above that I'd rather get a custom Crumpton if I wanted to spend $15k on a carbon bike, but that's just me...
You could argue that anybody who buys a $5k+ production frame is paying as much if not more than many who go custom. Personally, I agree with the notion mentioned above that I'd rather get a custom Crumpton if I wanted to spend $15k on a carbon bike, but that's just me...
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This bike is definitely faster than the vast majority of custom bikes. In fact, the best pros would all be custom frames if they could gain a few seconds (although they would paint them to look like their sponsors bikes).
I also wouldn't pay $15k for a bike I couldn't even test ride. There are definitely horror stories here about custom frames that didn't ride well.
I also wouldn't pay $15k for a bike I couldn't even test ride. There are definitely horror stories here about custom frames that didn't ride well.
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Why would I want to spend $15,000 on a commodity object that I'm going to mercilessly beat up, shove into corners of trains, get covered with sand and dirt and grit, and risk getting stolen?
Also, keep in mind that Trek doesn't expect to actually sell many of those $15,000 Madones. It's an anchor; the idea is that by offering an insanely expensive option, the $5000 Treks seem more reasonable by comparison, and the $1500 Treks -- which are nearly functionally identical to the $15,000 ones -- seem like a downright bargain. (And yes, this has actually been studied and proven as an effective pricing technique.)
Also, keep in mind that Trek doesn't expect to actually sell many of those $15,000 Madones. It's an anchor; the idea is that by offering an insanely expensive option, the $5000 Treks seem more reasonable by comparison, and the $1500 Treks -- which are nearly functionally identical to the $15,000 ones -- seem like a downright bargain. (And yes, this has actually been studied and proven as an effective pricing technique.)
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I don't push my Cervelo's limits, but I pushed the hell out of the limits of the Novara it replaced. I think that's a pretty good reason to have a nice bike, actually.
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A quick check of Trek's list prices on a top-level team Madone 7 is around 11-12K, not 15. Arguably the Project 1 bikes ARE custom, and I've had fun using their on-line tool to build a dream bike for 7-8K
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Custom bikes are pretty silly, unless you have some really odd bike fit issues. If you really think you can't get a stock high end bicycle to fit you by varying stem/seat/seat post, you probably don't understand bicycle fit anyway.
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But have you seen those brakes? They're really really cool!
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Not really. Enthusiasts tend to be into the online forum community and are the same ones who are more keen to go custom. Spend their money on something more rare or custom.
I live in an extremely affluent area. The shop I got my bike from has some very high end stuff and clients. They are the farthest thing from enthusiasts. They walk in and want the best bike from X brand. So there goes 15K on a Trek or Specialized etc. Then it sits in the garage of the $30 million dollar house along the ocean as they rarely are ever in the US.
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If you assume the only reason for custom is geometry, yes. But it's not. It's not what you can or can't get. It's what you choose to spend your money on. I can get a very fast car with two seats. I don't choose to spend money on it. I don't think they are silly. Just not for me, right now.
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I could only get up to $12,800 and that is with a P1 build including one off custom airbrush paint work and top of the line everything. The highest non P1 bike, (team editions are considered P1), is priced at $11,550. Now, $12,800 isn't a huge gap from 15k, but $2,200 is a slightly large price gap from your claim.
So the question remains, can you get a reliable, aero tested/proven, custom carbon bike with full Dura Ace Di2, tested carbon wheels, fully tested carbon everything else (stem/ bars/ seat cap/ etc), for $12,800? This is not just a Trek question, but also a comparison to any of the larger manufactures. Specialized makes some SICK carbon bikes for the same price on the high end. I just dont think you can get a more reliable bike with the same components for the same price point as the large companies can provide.
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I never get involved with questions like "why spend so much $........ on a bike?" To me, all I hear with that is din blah blah blah.
The issues are: Do you have the dough?
Can you afford it, without being irresponsible?
Do you enjoy the product?
If answer is yes to those questions, then no problemo.
My girlfriend was just lamenting to me last night why Larry Ellison would spend over $600million on an island in Hawaii that he won't even live on year-round. I pointed to the fact that Larry Ellison's networth is upward of $30billion. She pretty much stopped talking about it.
The issues are: Do you have the dough?
Can you afford it, without being irresponsible?
Do you enjoy the product?
If answer is yes to those questions, then no problemo.
My girlfriend was just lamenting to me last night why Larry Ellison would spend over $600million on an island in Hawaii that he won't even live on year-round. I pointed to the fact that Larry Ellison's networth is upward of $30billion. She pretty much stopped talking about it.
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Who is a bigger weasel-- the guy that drops $12.8k on a nice Trek, or the guy that whines about it on Internet forums?
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Make no mistake about it. I wish I had the stroke to drop 15k on any bike. Probably wouldn't be that bike, but I'd love to be able to go to a shop and buy whatever bike I freakin wanted.
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