Dunbar

You ride 12k miles a year and care about spending $50-60 on chains per year? FYI, PBK has 10-speed 105 chains for under $25.

fstshrk

According to my sources, 11 speed is coming to Ultegra Line in 2014 including a new 12-30 cassette.

During the same time period, SRAM is going to introduce a road group with 11 speeds and hydraulic brakes. They will also be throwing in a rag with every purchase to wipe highly corrosive brake fluid off of the bike's finish.

OTOH, Campy is going retro with the new 2013 triple groups with 11 speeds. I am going to order one as soon as available for my Jamis Aurora.

martialman.45

11 speed triple would work great on a tandem

martialman.45

I'm holding out for 135mm hub and a 12+ speed single.

redoak

Thanks for the feedback. Any chance that Shimano will get ahead of the 'normal' product cycles and get either the (11)spd Ultegra mechanical or electronic to market earlier?

Speaking of Product Managers, when do the component companies reveal what will be available to speck on the 2014 model year bikes?

Bah Humbug

Widening the rear hub can only go so far before chainline wakes up and smacks you in the face, especially when running a single chainring.

garysol1 

I am betting that current 10speed DI2 Ultegra will easily reprogramed to 11speed sooner than later.

Psimet2001 

Wasn't mektronic 8 spd.....

patentcad

Electronically controlled internal rear hub gearing. Lighter, faster, more reliable. That's where it's going. That may take 10 years to even emerge, but I do wonder if the days of the 80+ year old derailleur system on bicycles are numbered. Derailleurs debuted at the TdF in 1937.

Time for a change.

garysol1 

Welcome to 2013 Pcad.... Alfine DI2 https://www.wired.com/playbook/2012/0...no-alfine-di2/

Carbon Unit

It may have been but I was talking about going forward. It is like no will ever make 8 track tape players again.

RT

Forget the Electro-Gear-Heads, AK, I'm with you on this one I barely noticed a benefit going from 8 to 9, and even less going 9 to 10. Only difference was components didn't last as long and were more difficult to maintain (i.e. chain cleaning).

Andy_K 

It's interesting that the drive to 11-speeds is ostensibly motivated by the desire to tighten the gear spacing, when apparently a huge swath of people are willing to live with a 50-34 crankset. You want tighter gears? Get a triple.

I actually have one bike with an 8-speed drivetrain using an old XTR cassette and Shimano SL-BS64 bar end shifters. It shifts wonderfully, but I'd prefer STI-type shifters.

Carbon Unit

I like this idea. I have a triple and I like it. However, componet manufacturers treat triples like a red headed step child. Until this year, I thought Campy was going to kill off the triple. Then they introduced a new triple but crippled it by not giving it multi shift capabilities.

RT

Like skipping a chainring? I'm not sure why that is important up front.

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Bah Humbug

I believe Shimano has stated that this will not happen. You can just plug in a DA Di2 RD and it will work as 11s just fine, though.

Carbon Unit

In order to get a multi shift campy triple for 2013 the right shifter would need to be Chorus or higher and the left shifter would need to be for an Athena triple. I was told that 11 speed Chorus will not shift the front Dr on a triple.

RT

Perhaps I am missing your meaning on 'multi' shift.

garysol1 

Just plug in the D/A rear deraileur? Are you sure about that? I would think there still has to be some reprograming of the processor so that the RD sees 11 shift commands. The Ultegra DI2 RD has more than enough sweep to shift the 11 speed cassette it just needs the shifter to be able to communicate 11 up and 11 down shifts. .

Carbon Unit

Being able to jump five cogs in the back at once with one push of a button.

Bah Humbug

I forget where I saw this... it was on one of these sites. The shifter wouldn't necessarily need to know how the RD was moving, just send the "upshift" or "downshift" signal through the wire, and let the RD know how much to move. And I know it should just be programming for the Ultegra RD to know how to move for 11s, but Shimano doesn't want to lose money, which they would, to people sticking with Ultegra instead of moving up to DA.

The really annoying thing is, there's no technical reason anymore why you couldn't even let a Shimano RD work on Campy cassettes, or vice versa. Just tell the RD to move to the appropriate stops. It'll never happen, of course.

garysol1 

With so many people "hacking" the new electronic groups I bet we will see it happen soon even if it is not done by Shimano.

RT

Ah, makes sense. I thought you meant skipping up front.

I propose a solution: Cabled friction shifting. My 1x9 flies through the cassette without barfing on a $3.95 Sunrace friction shifter


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banerjek

I'm holding out for regenerative braking and ABS...

RT

Let us not forget about multi-phasic shielding and trans-warp technology.
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