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    need quick decision between Zipp 404 vs Mavic Cosmic

    I have struck a deal on the cervelo S5 package. I need to pick between Zipp Firecrest 404 Clincher and Mavic Cosmic Carbon SLR.

    Review - 404 has better aero compares to Mavic but Mavic has better brake track and will last longer. How true and those who has experience? I have heard overheat while braking on the carbon track liek Zipp 404...

    Your thought ASAP. I need to decide within next couple hours before the shop close in East Coast.

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    This probably shouldn't be a rushed impulse decision.
    Don't believe everything you think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
    This probably shouldn't be a rushed impulse decision.
    Very much this. However, IMO, there's no way the Mavics compare to the Firecrests. More advanced shape, and their brake track is supposed to be very good despite being carbon.

    Nonetheless, I wouldn't want to spend that sort of money on a couple hours' notice on the word of strangers over the internet.

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    Zipps fo sho

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    Quote Originally Posted by sautan View Post
    I have heard overheat while braking on the carbon track liek Zipp 404...
    I seriously doubt you've heard that about Zipp carbon wheels... although those stories abound for uh, more generic wheels.

    I'd get the zipps every day and twice on Sundays if it were my money. Of course, my money has stayed stafely tucked in my wallet where fancy carbon wheels are concerned, so I'm not the best person to ask.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrojanHorse View Post
    I seriously doubt you've heard that about Zipp carbon wheels... although those stories abound for uh, more generic wheels.
    I read about the overheating as general carbon brake track which Zipp has. So what make the Zipp stand out compare to other carbon brake track? Even if Zipp has a better braking ability, is it fair to say its still not as good as the conventional brake track? I do have some concern cause I love to climb and descent a lot and fast.

    But ultimately, Aero is the main key, that is why I get aero bike. Would you agree Zipp is one of the best out there? This will be my first Aero Wheel Set. THANKS FOR ALL YOUR INPUT!!!

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    In all reality it probably doesn't matter which one you go with.

    Carbon does not brake as well as aluminum, period. Especially when it gets damp/wet. You'll want an aluminum training wheelset unless you're a fair-weather cyclist (which, if you're spending this much on a bike... none of our opinions really matter).

    Go with the Zipps, why not?
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    I average 100 miles a week on zipp 404s. I like them but I do have the older aluminum brake track which I would trade for all carbon in a heartbeat.

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    I've got Zipp 404 carbon and Zipp 303's with aluminum braking surface. There's not really much difference except when they're wet. I also don't ride down many long descents but I haven't even got them close to overheating.
    You're just trying to start an argument to show how smart you are.

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    Is the price the same? Unless you're 200 lbs and ride in a manner that means you do a lot of braking, get the Zipps.

    The Cosmic Carbone SLRs absolutely suck in crosswinds - badly. I know. I have a set. The more symmetrical cross-sectioned Zipp wheels have to do much better in crosswinds.

    And if something breaks, I think the Zipps use standard CX-Ray spokes.

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    In the best 41 protocol...between Zipp and Mavic...my recommendation is Enve...

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    mavic looks better, do it, hurry
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vlaam4ever View Post
    mavic looks better, do it, hurry

    lies

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    404...and slam your stem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sautan View Post
    So what make the Zipp stand out compare to other carbon brake track?
    *sigh*

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrojanHorse View Post
    *sigh*
    He really doesn't seem to have paid any attention to how he spent over $7,000. I do more research about what flatware set to buy than he has on his bike, wheels, and powermeter.

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    *sigh*
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    I have the Mavics. I've used them for everyday wheels for about 4 months last season. They are tough and bulletproof, and they do brake well, but I'd now like to have a set of zipps. The firecrest 404 and 303 are supposed to dissipate heat better and therefore break better than the older ones. But I've been looking at tubulars for climbing wheels. so I guess if you will be riding in the mountains, or use for everyday, get the mavics. if you want lighter, more aero, and you can pay twice as much, get the zipps. both are good wheels. nice problem to have!!



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    Quote Originally Posted by rangerdavid View Post
    I have the Mavics. I've used them for everyday wheels for about 4 months last season. They are tough and bulletproof, and they do break well, but I'd now like to have a set of zipps. The firecrest 404 and 303 are supposed to dissipate heat better and therefore break better than the older ones. But I've been looking at tubulars for climbing wheels. so I guess if you will be riding in the mountains, or use for everyday, get the mavics. if you want lighter, more aero, and you can pay twice as much, get the zipps. both are good wheels. nice problem to have!!
    Personally this review is enough of a reason for me to stay away from the mavics. I don't want any wheel that "break well".
    I may be fat but I'm slow enough to make up for it.

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    I have the Mavics from 2011 or 2012 got them for $1,000 (for the pair). I think the Zipps are better but at more than twice the price it was not worth it.

    The Mavics have been great, yes you do feel cross winds, and are still true and good after a few years and thousands of miles.

    If I was purchasing new wheels today I would also look at Williams. They cost less than Zipp and weigh less than Mavic.

    I also have the S5 and love it. The wheel clearance could be a issue so you should be mindful of that when looking at wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LowCel View Post
    Personally this review is enough of a reason for me to stay away from the mavics. I don't want any wheel that "break well".

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    Performance does have wheels on sale

    http://www.performancebike.com/bikes...400931__400931

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bah Humbug View Post
    He really doesn't seem to have paid any attention to how he spent over $7,000. I do more research about what flatware set to buy than he has on his bike, wheels, and powermeter.
    I know!

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    And seriously, your sig bothers me.

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