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    OK, I rode the Altamira and it felt pretty good. Maybe a touch long, but the stem on it was 110mm. The standover height was perfect. It seemed to be an inch from the lady parts.
    That's a great video. I agree with you, the Altimira does look good but a bit long. And 110 mm stem is long for a woman your size in the base case. I wouldn't say that standover is perfect. Only one inch of clearance is what we used to have with traditional geometry/horizontal top tubes. Ideally with the sloping top tube it should be more. BUT that is the advantage of the compact system. It gives you the freedom to go up in size on the frame to get the head tube height you need without making it impossible to stand over the bike. Good job. I think you have got it figured out. Looks like the Moto will work for you with a shorter stem, maybe 90 mm would be right, maybe a 100, maybe flipped down, maybe flipped up. And don't forget you will lose another 5 mm with the shorter Moto top tube. I don't know if BD will do this for you, but no matter. Even good stems aren't too expensive, and you can easily sell the old one on ebay. Just get the bike how BD wants to sent it, and use the set up you receive to work out what length stem you really need. You will be good to go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rpenmanparker View Post
    That's a great video. I agree with you, the Altimira does look good but a bit long. And 110 mm stem is long for a woman your size in the base case. I wouldn't say that standover is perfect. Only one inch of clearance is what we used to have with traditional geometry/horizontal top tubes. Ideally with the sloping top tube it should be more. BUT that is the advantage of the compact system. It gives you the freedom to go up in size on the frame to get the head tube height you need without making it impossible to stand over the bike. Good job. I think you have got it figured out. Looks like the Moto will work for you with a shorter stem, maybe 90 mm would be right, maybe a 100, maybe flipped down, maybe flipped up. And don't forget you will lose another 50 mm with the shorter Moto top tube. I don't know if BD will do this for you, but no matter. Even good stems aren't too expensive, and you can easily sell the old one on ebay. Just get the bike how BD wants to sent it, and use the set up you receive to work out what length stem you really need. You will be good to go.

    Yay!

    Yes, I was thinking if the stem on the Moto is too long and flipping it doesn't help then I will just replace it. I'm not afraid to put it on my bike stand and fiddle.

    BTW - that Altamira is a great bike. That particular one came with 105 components and I think it's right at $2K. I didn't like the saddle (super hard) but that's exchangeable.

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    Correcting a typo. I meant you will lose another 5 mm, not 50 with the shorter Moto top tube. Sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rpenmanparker View Post
    Correcting a typo. I meant you will lose another 5 mm, not 50 with the shorter Moto top tube. Sorry.
    Ha, I sort of glossed over that when I read it, thinking I'd look into the numbers later.

    So, the Moto has a 100mm stem and is 5mm shorter top tube, so is 15mm shorter reach than the Altamira, which may be sufficient decrease for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sabby View Post
    Yay!

    Yes, I was thinking if the stem on the Moto is too long and flipping it doesn't help then I will just replace it. I'm not afraid to put it on my bike stand and fiddle.
    I got a motobecane (not a TI sadly) and the head tube is a bit short at 10cm for a size 52, and more of it is below the down tube than above the top tube. Look closely at the pictures of the head tube. To get comfy coming from a MTB you may need a riser, say 17 or 25 degrees. It doesn't look fast, but if it fits you can go fast. Keep in mind a higher angle will shorten the reach some, so you may need a longer stem.
    This also depends how high they left the steerer, and if you prefer just adding more spacers on the steerer instead up flipping the stem up or getting a higher angle stem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikebreak View Post
    I got a motobecane (not a TI sadly) and the head tube is a bit short at 10cm for a size 52, and more of it is below the down tube than above the top tube. Look closely at the pictures of the head tube. To get comfy coming from a MTB you may need a riser, say 17 or 25 degrees. It doesn't look fast, but if it fits you can go fast. Keep in mind a higher angle will shorten the reach some, so you may need a longer stem.
    This also depends how high they left the steerer, and if you prefer just adding more spacers on the steerer instead up flipping the stem up or getting a higher angle stem.
    Oh, nice to know, thanks! If anything I may need to shorten the reach on it, though it may be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rpenmanparker View Post
    I agree with you completely, but raise the question: well what field can a kid go into? I loved my chemistry career, but see how tough it will be for those that follow to have the same opportunities, benefits, job security, interesting assignments, the whole works. Problem is, everyone is saying the same thing about their careers. Doctors, lawyers, even Indian chiefs. And don't even start about journalists. Their jobs are disappearing every day. Just about the only ones who aren't complaining (uh oh, here it comes) are accountants. And who wants to do that in the first place?

    Seriously, what can you tell your kids and grandkids to do?
    Agree and don't have a great answer for you. Small business owner maybe. I think I would have gone for optometrist versus engineer. I just wasn't interested in being a lawyer or a doctor. Shrink maybe...listening to other's problems is no cake walk.
    Its gone from easy to hard in the last 15 years in America is the bottom line. Health care. Investor ...takes money to invest.
    Just ain't easy...no matter what field you choose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Campag4life View Post
    Agree and don't have a great answer for you. Small business owner maybe. I think I would have gone for optometrist versus engineer. I just wasn't interested in being a lawyer or a doctor. Shrink maybe...listening to other's problems is no cake walk.
    Its gone from easy to hard in the last 15 years in America is the bottom line. Health care. Investor ...takes money to invest.
    Just ain't easy...no matter what field you choose.

    I don't have such a pessimistic view, I suppose. Probably because my experience has been pretty positive.

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    So, the salesperson at BD has been a bit robotic about sizing. When I sent my measurements a guy named Chris (perfectly responsive and polite) recommended a 48. After telling him that felt I might need a 51 he still recommended a 48. Then, today, I told him I rode the Altamira 50 and it fit well and he responded with "Sizing is personal preference, yada yada yada".

    I'm not complaining, just noting. I imagine they can't deviate from some chart. And if I'd gone with the 48 it wouldn't be the worse thing in the world. I'm glad I found you guys, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sabby View Post
    So, the salesperson at BD has been a bit robotic about sizing. When I sent my measurements a guy named Chris (perfectly responsive and polite) recommended a 48. After telling him that felt I might need a 51 he still recommended a 48. Then, today, I told him I rode the Altamira 50 and it fit well and he responded with "Sizing is personal preference, yada yada yada".

    I'm not complaining, just noting. I imagine they can't deviate from some chart. And if I'd gone with the 48 it wouldn't be the worse thing in the world. I'm glad I found you guys, though.
    Will be your call of course. But from where I sit there is no question the Fuji 50/Moto 51 is the right size. There is no question.
    Below is a comparison pic of the Novarro 48..or was that 49? versus the Fuji 50...enchanced latter pic and mirrored it to RHS for comparison.
    Your position excepting staight arms on the hoods of the Fuji is pretty much textbook. If you want you can go from say 110 to 100 or 90mm stem which would still be quite acceptable for that size bike.
    HTH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sabby View Post
    I don't have such a pessimistic view, I suppose. Probably because my experience has been pretty positive.
    Hmmm...will probably reach 20 trillion in national debt while Obama is in office. That's $20,000,000,000,000,000. Billions, not millions of dollars are no longer relevant. Iran and North Korea with a nuclear weapon.
    No changes to wall street legislation and nobody thrown in jail (where I should have worked) which could easily repeat the fiscal crisis of 2008. Too big to fail alive and well. Stock market rising sharply out of lockstep with a pretty flat economy propped up by money printing deflating the dollar.
    A house of cards.
    I love America...I just hate the direction. I have made a lot of money in my career and held onto a good part of it..so I am just fine. I worry about the next generation and the generation after that. College kids with outrageous tuition bills and mountains of debt who can't get a job. You don't have a pessimistic view? How about a pragmatic one? One million lost manufacturing jobs in America. Manufacturing is how America derived it wealth.
    Good luck to your son who will be left with strapping debt. I suggest you tell him to be a statistician.

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    When you get the bike figured out in the next few days/weeks. I recommend heading over to Atlanta cycling - Ansley( by Fat Matts) for the beginner ride on Tuesday. They ride through Ansley park, piedmont park, Virginia Highlands, Candler park, Lake Clair, Emory and back to the shop. a 15 mile ride and you can ride to it from your house 25 miles total from L5P. just get on Beltline and cut through Piedmont and the Botanical Gardens.

    They generally get a group of 10-40 riders and its a great place to learn to ride in a group through town.

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    BTW the Fuji looks good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Campag4life View Post
    Will be your call of course. But from where I sit there is no question the Fuji 50/Moto 51 is the right size. There is no question.
    Below is a comparison pic of the Novarro 48..or was that 49? versus the Fuji 50...enchanced latter pic and mirrored it to RHS for comparison.
    Your position excepting staight arms on the hoods of the Fuji is pretty much textbook. If you want you can go from say 110 to 100 or 90mm stem which would still be quite acceptable for that size bike.
    HTH.
    I love how you do that with the photos.

    Glad for more confirmation!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Campag4life View Post
    Hmmm...will probably reach 20 trillion in national debt while Obama is in office. That's $20,000,000,000,000,000. Billions, not millions of dollars are no longer relevant. Iran and North Korea with a nuclear weapon.
    No changes to wall street legislation and nobody thrown in jail (where I should have worked) which could easily repeat the fiscal crisis of 2008. Too big to fail alive and well. Stock market rising sharply out of lockstep with a pretty flat economy propped up by money printing deflating the dollar.
    A house of cards.
    I love America...I just hate the direction. I have made a lot of money in my career and held onto a good part of it..so I am just fine. I worry about the next generation and the generation after that. College kids with outrageous tuition bills and mountains of debt who can't get a job. You don't have a pessimistic view? How about a pragmatic one? One million lost manufacturing jobs in America. Manufacturing is how America derived it wealth.
    Good luck to your son who will be left with strapping debt. I suggest you tell him to be a statistician.

    Well, considering I'm a liberal I won't comment. Not that I have completely different opinions than what you've posted, in fact some are similar...but I'd prefer not to get into the details of mine here, since words can get quite heated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vlaam4ever View Post
    When you get the bike figured out in the next few days/weeks. I recommend heading over to Atlanta cycling - Ansley( by Fat Matts) for the beginner ride on Tuesday. They ride through Ansley park, piedmont park, Virginia Highlands, Candler park, Lake Clair, Emory and back to the shop. a 15 mile ride and you can ride to it from your house 25 miles total from L5P. just get on Beltline and cut through Piedmont and the Botanical Gardens.

    They generally get a group of 10-40 riders and its a great place to learn to ride in a group through town.

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    BTW the Fuji looks good.

    Oh fantastic! I actually live in Candler Park, so I know where you're talking about. Thanks for suggesting it!

    Only, is there a road bike friendly route through Piedmont Park to Ansley?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sabby View Post
    Well, considering I'm a liberal I won't comment. Not that I have completely different opinions than what you've posted, in fact some are similar...but I'd prefer not to get into the details of mine here, since words can get quite heated.
    What I stated is matter of public record as sad as it is, so political persuasion isn't particularly relevant. I tend to be fiscally conservative and in some ways socially liberal. But outside the scope here as you say. There is plenty of blame to go around and it isn't any particular group of people. I think it is generally referred to as greed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Campag4life View Post
    What I stated is matter of public record as sad as it is, so political persuasion isn't particularly relevant. I tend to be fiscally conservative and in some ways socially liberal. But outside the scope here as you say. There is plenty of blame to go around and it isn't any particular group of people. I think it is generally referred to as greed.

    I would have to agree with you completely here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sabby View Post
    Oh fantastic! I actually live in Candler Park, so I know where you're talking about. Thanks for suggesting it!

    Only, is there a road bike friendly route through Piedmont Park to Ansley?
    Yes, Exit out by the botanical Garden. Cut through Ansley park to Montgomerery Ferry to Peidmont. The meeting point is Atlanta Cycling. It the most bike friendly part ofthe trip. for your first ride or two you may want to just put it in the car and drive to the meeting point until you figure out your way through Ansley Park and Sherwood Forest. It can be a little tricky.

    Also just noticed a beginner ride out of Castleberry Hill through Georgia Tech ~ 15 miles round trip.

    If you've done marathons you may want to do longer rides but most most of these group rides give you a good database for cycling freindly routes trhough town. I suspect you'll be doing some the more challanging routes in no time but everybody starts somewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vlaam4ever View Post
    Yes, Exit out by the botanical Garden. Cut through Ansley park to Montgomerery Ferry to Peidmont. The meeting point is Atlanta Cycling. It the most bike friendly part ofthe trip. for your first ride or two you may want to just put it in the car and drive to the meeting point until you figure out your way through Ansley Park and Sherwood Forest. It can be a little tricky.

    Also just noticed a beginner ride out of Castleberry Hill through Georgia Tech ~ 15 miles round trip.

    If you've done marathons you may want to do longer rides but most most of these group rides give you a good database for cycling freindly routes trhough town. I suspect you'll be doing some the more challanging routes in no time but everybody starts somewhere.

    Thanks for the tip. I've run through Ansley and Sherwood during marathon training so I am not confused by the area (despite the weird roads). I'll give myself plenty of time and truck over there some Tuesday, after I've had a few weeks to get to know my bike. I also expect I will be throwing it up on the stand a few times to get everything fully adjusted, considering it's a DIY bike

    As for the difficulty of the route...I'll start small. I currently do my commute route on a regular basis. That's 7.5 miles each way. I occasionally get out and go for a long ride with friends. But, I'll be new to the cycling community so I'll start entry level and move up in an organic fashion.

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sabby View Post
    .... I also expect I will be throwing it up on the stand a few times to get everything fully adjusted, considering it's a DIY bike

    Thanks!
    Adjustments are normal for any new bike (as the cables stretch a bit). When people buy at the LBS, they usually take it in for adjustments.

    I ride with people who are surprised that I got a bike in a box and dialed it in myself. If their shifting is off they just take it to a shop. You can find youtube videos on how to adjust shifters and brakes, and even decent videos on getting a good basic fit. It takes some time to get shifting and fit dialed, but it's worthwhile to learn how to adjust your bike yourself.

    Speaking of fit, I would get the bigger size, assuming stand over height is ok. A longer head tube makes a big difference. The motobecane I got has a tiny head tube, and they didn't leave a ton of steerer uncut, so I ended up needing a 25 degree riser stem to get a good fit. Works great but looks a bit silly.

    You can search for "french fit" on this forum to see some debates about the merits of sizing up for comfort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikebreak View Post
    Adjustments are normal for any new bike (as the cables stretch a bit). When people buy at the LBS, they usually take it in for adjustments.

    I ride with people who are surprised that I got a bike in a box and dialed it in myself. If their shifting is off they just take it to a shop. You can find youtube videos on how to adjust shifters and brakes, and even decent videos on getting a good basic fit. It takes some time to get shifting and fit dialed, but it's worthwhile to learn how to adjust your bike yourself.

    Speaking of fit, I would get the bigger size, assuming stand over height is ok. A longer head tube makes a big difference. The motobecane I got has a tiny head tube, and they didn't leave a ton of steerer uncut, so I ended up needing a 25 degree riser stem to get a good fit. Works great but looks a bit silly.

    You can search for "french fit" on this forum to see some debates about the merits of sizing up for comfort.
    Hi bikebreak,

    I did get the larger one! I got the 51. The standover height of it is actually a tad lower than the Fuji I tried and I could standover that just fine. So, I should be good.

    I'm already pretty proficient at tuning shifters and brakes. My brother initially taught me but then when I get rusty I look it up on youtube or google it.

    I'm planning on stripping my mtb to the frame and replacing everything, so that will help me learn how to replace broken parts or if I just don't like a part and want to upgrade.

    But, yeah, I've always been perplexed by people who bring their bikes or cars in for every little thing. That being said, not everyone is handy. Also, that being said, I bring my car in for oil change because I don't like doing that myself. So, whatever people do with their money is their business. Now, by buying a DIY bike I am aware ahead of time of the service commitment I am making. I am actually looking forward to it.

    Most people who know me won't be surprised I got a DIY bike. But, I am hoping I don't get snobbed on at my first group ride. Oh well, if it happens it happens. I'm almost 40 years old...too old to seriously care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sabby View Post
    Hi bikebreak,

    I did get the larger one! I got the 51. The standover height of it is actually a tad lower than the Fuji I tried and I could standover that just fine. So, I should be good.

    I'm already pretty proficient at tuning shifters and brakes. My brother initially taught me but then when I get rusty I look it up on youtube or google it.

    I'm planning on stripping my mtb to the frame and replacing everything, so that will help me learn how to replace broken parts or if I just don't like a part and want to upgrade.

    But, yeah, I've always been perplexed by people who bring their bikes or cars in for every little thing. That being said, not everyone is handy. Also, that being said, I bring my car in for oil change because I don't like doing that myself. So, whatever people do with their money is their business. Now, by buying a DIY bike I am aware ahead of time of the service commitment I am making. I am actually looking forward to it.

    Most people who know me won't be surprised I got a DIY bike. But, I am hoping I don't get snobbed on at my first group ride. Oh well, if it happens it happens. I'm almost 40 years old...too old to seriously care.
    Jen, before the bike is shipped(?), you might want to inquire how tall a spacer stack is there? And any way to get an uncut or tall cut fork to really dial in fit as you prefer. I doubt it, and think you will be okay, just trying to avoid unforeseen problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rpenmanparker View Post
    Jen, before the bike is shipped(?), you might want to inquire how tall a spacer stack is there? And any way to get an uncut or tall cut fork to really dial in fit as you prefer. I doubt it, and think you will be okay, just trying to avoid unforeseen problems.

    It's already on its way, but I would doubt they'd substitute the fork in any way. It looks like there's a 1.5-2 inch space between the tube and the bars. I was already wondering if I should take the spacers out.

    I don't really know my own fit very well, since I've been riding around on a mtb that is not fitted to me. So, in all likelihood I will ride it a good month before figuring out what I need to adjust. I can imagine the seatpost and stem and spacers might be the first to change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sabby View Post
    Hi bikebreak,

    I did get the larger one! I got the 51. The standover height of it is actually a tad lower than the Fuji I tried and I could standover that just fine. So, I should be good.

    I'm already pretty proficient at tuning shifters and brakes. My brother initially taught me but then when I get rusty I look it up on youtube or google it.

    I'm planning on stripping my mtb to the frame and replacing everything, so that will help me learn how to replace broken parts or if I just don't like a part and want to upgrade.

    But, yeah, I've always been perplexed by people who bring their bikes or cars in for every little thing. That being said, not everyone is handy. Also, that being said, I bring my car in for oil change because I don't like doing that myself. So, whatever people do with their money is their business. Now, by buying a DIY bike I am aware ahead of time of the service commitment I am making. I am actually looking forward to it.

    Most people who know me won't be surprised I got a DIY bike. But, I am hoping I don't get snobbed on at my first group ride. Oh well, if it happens it happens. I'm almost 40 years old...too old to seriously care.
    Good luck with the new bike Sabby. Know you will love it and well done on the due dilligence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sabby View Post
    It's already on its way, but I would doubt they'd substitute the fork in any way. It looks like there's a 1.5-2 inch space between the tube and the bars. I was already wondering if I should take the spacers out.

    I don't really know my own fit very well, since I've been riding around on a mtb that is not fitted to me. So, in all likelihood I will ride it a good month before figuring out what I need to adjust. I can imagine the seatpost and stem and spacers might be the first to change.
    After you are riding your bike for a little while, if you start thinking you would like to lower your bars (and the stem is already in the down position), start moving the spacers one at a time from underneath the stem to above the stem. When you get it just as you want it, then you cut the steerer tube down to accommodate the lower number of spacers you prefer and discard the ones above the stem. But that is a trial and error thing, so you don't cut until you are sure. And even with your DIY proclivity, steerer cutting in something that might best be left to a shop. There is little sense to buying the fixtures for doing it right as rarely as one needs to do it.

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