velocipedio

my job got tenure-tracked, and they wanted a phd [which i don't have], so i became, as they say, "redundant." the irony is that they never found their phd, and the position itself was eliminated.

i'm just marking time until fall when i will, in fact, start my phd studies [gettin' paid to read books... i like that]. in the mean-time, i've retuned to journalism for now [i write for a cmp media publication and a couple of different itbusiness.ca trade magazines] and i pull a few hours as the guy in charge of road stuff, athlete management and it admin at my lbs.

it works out since that's where i'd spend my $ anyway, and i get staff deals on everything. including a new bike.

velocipedio

sds... you seem to be under the impression that "material knowledge" has an objective existence.

and i'm not a philsopher. i'm a historian by training and a journalist by profession. a bike shop guy by choice.

Patriot

I'm suffering, and I'm not even on the bike today.

Brett 12

Triples have performance penalty: it's called weight. But 150-200 grams extra isn't going to hurt you unless you are racing in the TdF.

Triples are used by people with panniers etc, on tours.......not just be overweight fat people.

Not all Road Bikes come with them as standard euipment becasue some places are very flat (midewest) and bikes meant purely for racing (cat 1: 70 miles?) don't have to travel as long and far as touring bikes.

You can't use a short cage deraliileur with them becasue it doesn't have enough wrap capacity for the spread in chainrings up front.

BTW, I just found out that triples shift just fine. Don't get a double because you want better shifting...there is no difference.

ggg300

that was fun!!! it gets kinda bland here sometimes...thanks for the fun flame war.....

my58vw

I would have to disagree... there is a major difference, major! How many time have you mishifted the fd on a triple...

Brett 12

I just did a test ride at my local LBS. I really didn't see any problems at all with the shifting. I don't see what the big deal is.

For a serious racing bike where you are going to be mashing as fast as you can for 20-70 miles(cat 1 through cat 5).......Obviously I'd take a double.

But for touring and/or long rides (6+ hours) I'd take a triple.

I didn't see any flaws in the shifting mechanism. This was just a 52/42/30 105....nothing fancy.

I know you had a DA 7703 FD, and your rings were 53/39/30. Were those rings matched (pinned/ramped)?

Another problem I think is people use triple wrong .....thinking it is a double with a granny/bailout gear. All that philosophy is going to get you is a lot of bad chainlines.

lotek 

Velocipedio,

Good one. Back to your old incindiary (sp?) posts.
Yes I do miss D*Alex, and Pokey for that matter.
I finally found my Zieleman and I can assure you it will
have neither shimaNo nor a triple.

Marty

velocipedio

a zieleman! the holy grail. do tell. what year? what condition? super record or new stuff? i'm going to have to come down to texas just to see it. there musy be no more than a half dozen in the us... i'm impressed.

don't hate me, but i'm going ti. with chorus, though. should have the bike for the spring rides.

pokey... now there's a name to conjure with.

i tested the waters on the compact thread, and then figured i'd start one of my own. i needed something to keep flipping to while i was doing an editing job, boring job. as i said, i'm just glad i gave everyone something to stand up for... loki was always my favourite.

Serpico

Is this what they told you? Maybe you were just an ass, like you are here..? no?

Can't imagine you'd act different anywhere else.

And the PoMo-style "knowledge isn't objective" is really impressive!!! We're totally blown away.

And no, I don't have a triple.

Kristofferson

why does "53-11" keep on repeating throughout my head?

velocipedio

ziggurat... i really didn't mean to offend you, or anyone. i'm sorry if i did. it really was all meant in fun, to relieve the boredom of working on a saturday. this was, i think, the day's most active thread. it's fun to take a stand.

i did go out of my way to avoid making it personal. i wish you would too...

and is it po-mo crap? maybe. it could also be phenomenological-crap or zen-crap, or some other crap; label it however you want. the important thing is that it's all equally crap. it's just fun to play a bit with how we represent ourselves, particularly here [however you understand "here"] where none of this is real. let's not take it all so seriously. [and, my58vw, let it go.]

you probably don't remember me from the old days. this kind of thing used to go on all the time. d*alex was the master of it, just ask marty.

having said that, i'm quite proud of my triple=viagra line. think i'll use that again some time. i really liked sds's posts, and lordopie's and corsaire's though. good stuff... now on to tomight's dvd...

gcasillo

gcasillo looks in and gets the sign for a curveball...comes set...and here's the delivery...
What of compact cranks then?

(sorry pitchers and catchers reported last week )

Hal Hardy

It's much ado about nothing.

velocipedio

i doff my hat. that's nasty.

531Aussie

There's obviously plenty of good reasons for people to use triples, but I'm sure
there's also a bunch who think that riding up a mountain should be as easy as rolling down to the Seven-11 (which is also fair enough, and probably none of my business), in which case, why don't they just put a motor on the bike and be done with it

oldspark

This is all fun and games until somebody gets hurt.

terrymorse 

9% for 7 miles? Don't toy with me. Where is it?

terrymorse 

Of more immediate benefit, you can spin up long hills to preserve your glycogen stores. Take two identically strong riders. The one who spins up all the hills will have more glycogen and less fatigue than the one who mashes.

alanbikehouston

A well designed "double", with 8 cogs in back, is all a rider needs for a given day's ride, IF the resulting 16 gears are exactly the gears the rider needs for that particular ride. Most of my riding is done in a very narrow range, from about 40 gear inches, to about 90 gear inches. Just a 50 inch range, from top to bottom. And, it is amazing, on some 2005 bikes, how many of the "usable" gears fall OUTSIDE of the range that I use.

(Obviously, other riders have different "daily" needs, but, for most riders, the daily range is something less than from 40 inches to 130 inches - the range attempted by some bikes today).

Most drivetrains today are filled with nonsensical gears. Some 2005 models have five gears over 100 inches, including a 130 inch gear. Eddie Merckx set the one hour record with a 79 inch gear. So, a thirty year old schoolteacher, or a forty year old plumber needs a 130 inch gear?

The popularity of triples comes from be forced by the industry to resort to a "lottery ticket" approach to gearing. With 16 gears, if you are LUCKY, six or seven might be the gears you actually use on a daily basis. With thirty gears, you have more lottery tickets, and might end up with nine or ten gears that you can actually use.

Mr. Shimano gave a recent interview in which he admitted the gearing on road bikes sold to folks who do not race is silly for the average rider, but he said gearing is based on "marketing", not on riding considerations.

Maybe someday, Mr. Shimano will come to his senses. Build a drivetrain with 16 gears that fall between 40 inches and 90 inches...don't hold your breath though.

Brett 12

Are you serious?

This is a track bike right?

531Aussie

I'm not sure how you guys measure gear inches, but according to my calculations, and this web site, he used a 52/14 (100.3 inch)

https://www.bikecult.com/bikecultbook...cordsHour.html

Boardman used a 56/13 on his "Superman" position bike!!!



Yes, it was on a veloddrome
https://www.torelli.com/home.html?htt...ddyhour.html&1

Larry3x2

From an overweight 54 yearold's perspective (6'2" 220 lbs 15% bodyfat) a triple saves my knees on long inclines. The other part comes from the wisdom of the ages, we old guys know that keeping in motion improves the quality of life and we accept that we are probably not a threat to Lance and Cunego etc.
Larry

531Aussie

Sorry, wrong, according to the Sheldon Brown gear calculator. That would mean he would have to use a 48/16, which has a roll-out of 6.3 m for one rev. So, to get the 49.431km in the hour, he would've averaged 131 rpm for the whole 60 minutes!




Don't you have tail winds in Texas?

oldspark

Emotionaly Amazing how a troll thread can stir so many serious posts after it has been stated as being so.