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Old 05-21-13, 08:30 PM   #26
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The Rail is a proprietary mold; the rims under discussion are not.
This was my understanding. I'd love to have the Rails, but I lack patience and I'm really not all that concerned with who the mold was originally designed by.

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Hey, I'm waiting until July anyway. There's always Soul C5.0 or C6.0 for a couple hundred more.
My other thing is that November appeals to me because they're so local. Soul's look awfully sweet, but I like knowing the warehouse for November is down the street.
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Old 05-21-13, 08:33 PM   #27
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This was my understanding. I'd love to have the Rails, but I lack patience and I'm really not all that concerned with who the mold was originally designed by.

My other thing is that November appeals to me because they're so local. Soul's look awfully sweet, but I like knowing the warehouse for November is down the street.
Well then either get the 50mms or wait for the Rail.

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Well like mentioned earlier. If you will be climbing a fair bit, want the newest version and an anal retentive build towards quality go with the 38's you won't be disappointed. If you want last version, slight bit better (perhaps) at higher speeds and still anal retentive quality build then go 50. Will these be you regular wheels or just using for races/tri's?
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I used to be worried about wind and decided on Zipp 303s. Last year I also got 404s and ride them all the time even with strong winds. The sensation from wind is just that - a sensation that takes a little getting used to. It doesn't push you over and also doesn't make you turn. If fact, you sitting on the bike is a profile much, much larger than wheels.

So much advice is definately go with the 50s
I was never worried about it, until a gust of wind put me off the road at 44.8mph.

YMMV
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I went from 60 to 52, and now with 38s, I'm insanely happy. I'm 165, but found myself thrown around more than I'd like on windy days. I love my 38s!
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Old 05-22-13, 06:39 AM   #31
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Will these be you regular wheels or just using for races/tri's?
For the time being, they'll be both everyday wheels and tri wheels. In all likelihood, I'm going to have a tri specific bike in 2014, but I don't think it's in the budget this year.
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For the time being, they'll be both everyday wheels and tri wheels. In all likelihood, I'm going to have a tri specific bike in 2014, but I don't think it's in the budget this year.
A dedicated tri bike has nothing to do with whether the wheels are all-purpose or race-only.

Also, be aware that GP4KSs are very aero when new, so the ideal is to have a race-only set of those, which makes race-only wheels make a ton of sense.
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A dedicated tri bike has nothing to do with whether the wheels are all-purpose or race-only.
I think you missed the question. His response was to whether wheels are everyday or race/tri use. The tri specific bake was another comment thrown in.
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Right, those were two separate thoughts, sorry that wasn't clear. This year, I'll be running these wheels as an all-purpose set as well as racing on them. Next year, I'll likely not be using them for racing (hence the tacked on comment regarding a tri bike).
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Right, those were two separate thoughts, sorry that wasn't clear. This year, I'll be running these wheels as an all-purpose set as well as racing on them. Next year, I'll likely not be using them for racing (hence the tacked on comment regarding a tri bike).
Sorry; I also hadn't had coffee yet.

Why wouldn't you use these wheels for racing next year? Planning on better ones?
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Why wouldn't you use these wheels for racing next year? Planning on better ones?
There's a good chance that I'll be too lazy to swap wheels around. We'll see, I haven't thought it through real well yet - mostly just trying to get ready for this summer for now!
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There's a good chance that I'll be too lazy to swap wheels around. We'll see, I haven't thought it through real well yet - mostly just trying to get ready for this summer for now!
Ah. If anything, put the aero wheels on the tri bike, if you at all care about how fast you go there. And get a disc cover.
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That's the tentative plan!
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Sweet. I have the 2012 58s.
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Both are rebranded generic wheelsets at roughly twice the price of someone like Farsports. Go with Farsports, they're great.
The November rims are not the same as the Chinese made Farsports rims.
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For the time being, they'll be both everyday wheels and tri wheels. In all likelihood, I'm going to have a tri specific bike in 2014, but I don't think it's in the budget this year.
Well, if you may have a designated tri bike next year which might include aero wheels, I'd do the 38's (granted I've already made my decision). No worries about wind albeit some have said that's not much of an issue, decent weight, and the wider track which I'm told really add to the feel of the ride (I have no knowledge if this is true or not).
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38, because of cross winds.
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Well, if you may have a designated tri bike next year which might include aero wheels, I'd do the 38's (granted I've already made my decision). No worries about wind albeit some have said that's not much of an issue, decent weight, and the wider track which I'm told really add to the feel of the ride (I have no knowledge if this is true or not).
A tri bike likely won't come with good aero wheels.
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38, because of cross winds.
I just bought the 50mm from November. Can't wait to get them. 12 mm is not going to be a noticeable difference.

Plus, 50 looks fantastic!
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A tri bike likely won't come with good aero wheels.
Exactly. The wheels on most stock tri bikes look aero in appearance only. Even then they aren't at all deep.
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I just bought the 50mm from November...
Nice, but that won't stop this group from continuing the 38 versus 50 etc. debate (which comes up with nauseating regularity)....
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Nice, but that won't stop this group from continuing the 38 versus 50 etc. debate (which comes up with nauseating regularity)....
And gearing. And which groupset is best. How much aero matters.
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Nice, but that won't stop this group from continuing the 38 versus 50 etc. debate (which comes up with nauseating regularity)....
Hell, I'm the OP, said I'm going with the 50s, and that didn't stop it. Enjoying reading the responses though, more information and opinions are nice to have.
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Hell, I'm the OP, said I'm going with the 50s, and that didn't stop it. Enjoying reading the responses though, more information and opinions are nice to have.
Ha! Well great to hear, you got yourself some awesome wheels, can't wait to hear your first report! I'm an old bird who used to build wheels a long time ago for a bike company in Montreal, probably built a thousand wheels and thought that we were cutting edge building kick ass products. I took a hiatus from the sport for a long time and when I got back into it, simply could not believe how incredible wheels have become. So much stronger than they used to be (with similar lacing at any rate). System wheels as well as handbuilts and the November's are no exception. Enjoy!
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Sweet. I have the 2012 58s.
They're the closeout 58's too ....just posted for a somewhat relative comparison.
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