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    I have been doing a lot of research into "lower" cost carbon clinchers from multiple builders(November,Boyd,Neuvation and PSIMET I think) and from what I can tell they all source their rims from Taiwan(mostly Gigantex). I have also been tempted by the Chinese rims/wheels as well. Everything I have read is that the Taiwan carbon is much more consistent. Being in the US, buying from a builder makes questions or warranty issues much easier.

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    ^^^ incorrect.

    Your main point is a valid one. They are local so service would be easier and they all seem to have a presence in their local cycling communities. To me, that has value. YMMV.
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    Quote Originally Posted by foresthill View Post
    "What could possibly be different"? Check out the pics on page 3 of this thread: http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...wheelset/page3

    Would you want to trust your life to that when you're going 45mph?
    ahh carbon, the great polarizing material. yeah, you couldn't pay me to ride with a pair of carbon wheels no matter who makes them. i wont even ride a aluminum rim with less then 24 spokes.....
    we've got both kinds, country and western.

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    "The older you do get, the more rules they're gonna try to get you to follow. You just gotta keep livin', man, L-I-V-I-N." - Wooderson

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    Quote Originally Posted by ttakata73 View Post
    I do have a few honorable Mainland Chinese friends/business associates but from my experience; I am comfortable stereotyping Mainland Chinese as having no business ethics because the concept of ethics does not exist there.
    The baby formula thing ain't just an anology, people grey-market that stuff over the border.

    There are honorable people there, but deceit is so common, it's not really stereotyping if so many of them cheat people.

    Made in China doesn't automatically make it bad, as long as you trust the people that QC their stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveM View Post
    I have been doing a lot of research into "lower" cost carbon clinchers from multiple builders(November,Boyd,Neuvation and PSIMET I think) and from what I can tell they all source their rims from Taiwan(mostly Gigantex). I have also been tempted by the Chinese rims/wheels as well. Everything I have read is that the Taiwan carbon is much more consistent. Being in the US, buying from a builder makes questions or warranty issues much easier.
    This comes up a lot and I figure I would clear up some stuff for everybody mentioned. I will only state what the actual parties mentioned have stated publicly on the forums. I am not here to give out any insider secrets or hurt anybody, in fact quite the opposite.

    From your list
    November has mentioned before that they have used open mould rims. New for this year they are moving to a 23mm wide rim on the standard options. They have their new Rail carbon clincher which is completely their mould (meaning nobody else can use it in their builds). They mainly build with Novatech hubs, but do have options if you want to upgrade to a different hub.

    Boyd (hey, that's me). For this year all carbon wheels have proprietary rims and hubs. You will not see either on any other wheel line. We had used open mould rims and hubs in the past but changed away from that for the 2013 year.

    Psimet. He is more of a custom wheel builder than a wheel brand. This means he will build onto many different options for both rims and hubs. However, he has some standard wheel build options out there which use open mould rims. He does have his own mould which is a cyclocross specific application.

    Neuvation. I have not seen John from Neuvation post about his products on here and what or where they are from so I will not comment on them. It'd be nice to see him on the forum because he has been in this industry for a while and I am sure he could share some great insight.

    I should mention that out of the three that have publicly stated what they use, all three do not use Gigantex rims in their line up.
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    My apologies if I spoke incorrectly about the origins of anyones wheels. My intention was only to hopefully point out that I though these builders used what I think are better quality carbon rims and purchasing from one of them will the direction I will be going for my next wheel purchase. I do currently own a pair of Neuvation R28SL rims.

    Neuvation has stated that they use Gigantex :
    http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...rbon-Rim-Maker

    November Rail is from Taiwan, but not Gigantex. Again, sorry I incorrectly stated that. From another forum on this site:
    "They aren't Gigantex, but they are from a Taiwanese supplier whose rims are used by a lot of other wheel builders."

    I have also found where CoachBoyd and PSIMET have both publicly stated that they do NOT source rims from Gigantex as well. Once again, my apologies.

    Steve

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    ^^^ Props for having the balls to come back and clear up the error. Most in your position wouldn't bother.

    Carry on and post once more than every 18 months. Geeze.
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