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thehammerdog 06-01-13 11:08 AM

Psychology and it's impact on cycling..
 
As someone who wears glasses and thus needs contacts to sport fancy sunglasses I rode today with shades and no contacts. I found that since I could not see far ahead I powered over hills that I would normally see and get psyched out before even reaching them. I rode more consistent and less fearful of the hills. I am not a climber. This was the second time I rode with out my glasses and found that my lack of vision helps me focus on riding and not the pending hills....I was wondering if anyone else psyches themselves out when riding?

1 mile sprint in 2.37 not bawls out but steady push.

cvall91 06-01-13 11:33 AM

Psychology plays a big role in cycling. That's the reason why I haven't been able to finish crits, but can easily do crit training rides that are harder than the crits themselves. Doesn't make sense but that's just the way it is :/.

kenji666 06-01-13 11:38 AM

Sometimes, I forget to wear my HRM chest strap and notice afterward that I rode faster, since I'm not obsessing over my max HR.

Homebrew01 06-01-13 11:39 AM

If I didn't wear my glasses, I would accidentally ride off the road and crash.

sfrider 06-01-13 11:44 AM

Most beginners have the opposite problem: they ride way too hard and never develop any base endurance.

deacon mark 06-01-13 11:59 AM

Before my lasik surgery 11years ago I was -12 and -13 in each eye. Without my contacts in I need a dog to get me to the bathroom in AM to get my contacts in to see. Had I rode a bike it would have been a nightmare. I tired to run once without contact or glass and it did not work. Thank the Lord for lasik I am 20/25 nothing needed not even reading glasses at 52.

SolitaryRider 06-01-13 12:21 PM

I've noticed that too.

When climbing the worst hills, I will look down, right in front of me, and before I know it, I am up and over the hill. If I keep looking at the crest, I never seem to get there.

With headwinds: When I try to fight them, I get nowhere and become frustrated; If I adopt the attitude of just accepting that I can't go as fast or as easily into the wind, and just plan on going slow and steady and enjoying the ride, I hardly seem to lose any speed!

I believe that after physical fitness, psychology is the most important aspect of riding. Both seem to have much more effect on one's riding than do things like equipment and groupset.

EnsitMike 06-01-13 01:03 PM

I know this may seem "tasteless" now days, but I grew up dreaming of one day being like Armstrong. I rode mountain my whole childhood and always had him in mind. Since I've recently gotten into road after a very long break from riding, I still picture Lance riding next to me. I don't know what it is, but I can sprint endlessly up hills and absolutely dust my buddies who don't seem to have the same inspiration, I'm talking gaining a minute on one hill not a couple seconds.

It may be fitness, or genetics, but it feels psychological because I know I am in pain, but I just don't let it stop me like they do.

svtmike 06-01-13 01:08 PM


Originally Posted by SolitaryRider (Post 15692485)
With headwinds: When I try to fight them, I get nowhere and become frustrated; If I adopt the attitude of just accepting that I can't go as fast or as easily into the wind, and just plan on going slow and steady and enjoying the ride, I hardly seem to lose any speed!

There's a pretty thin line between a sub-threshold effort and a supra-threshold effort. With a headwind, the speed change between the two is diminished as is your perception of the benefits of the harder effort.

I agree with your approach -- but I guess I don't consider it psychological. It's a matter of learning how to pace yourself under different conditions -- going with how the effort feels rather than how fast it looks. Same thing applies to climbing hills.

beatlebee 06-01-13 02:18 PM


Originally Posted by EnsitMike (Post 15692592)
I know this may seem "tasteless" now days, but I grew up dreaming of one day being like Armstrong. I rode mountain my whole childhood and always had him in mind. Since I've recently gotten into road after a very long break from riding, I still picture Lance riding next to me. I don't know what it is, but I can sprint endlessly up hills and absolutely dust my buddies who don't seem to have the same inspiration, I'm talking gaining a minute on one hill not a couple seconds.

It may be fitness, or genetics, but it feels psychological because I know I am in pain, but I just don't let it stop me like they do.

Pin up!

ThinLine 06-01-13 02:25 PM

I usually offer my rides, as agonizing as I make them for animal suffering somewhere. I know, sounds crazy but we all row a different boat. Suffer from depression too, so mind stays clear while riding.

SolitaryRider 06-01-13 10:50 PM


Originally Posted by EnsitMike (Post 15692592)
I know this may seem "tasteless" now days, but I grew up dreaming of one day being like Armstrong. I rode mountain my whole childhood and always had him in mind. Since I've recently gotten into road after a very long break from riding, I still picture Lance riding next to me. I don't know what it is, but I can sprint endlessly up hills and absolutely dust my buddies who don't seem to have the same inspiration, I'm talking gaining a minute on one hill not a couple seconds.

It may be fitness, or genetics, but it feels psychological because I know I am in pain, but I just don't let it stop me like they do.

Maybe it's the dope? ;)

Machka 06-02-13 03:17 AM

When I approach hills I just keep repeating to myself ... "it's not as bad as it looks".

eja_ bottecchia 06-02-13 03:29 AM

All sports have a psychological component. We are not the only ones.

THSdrummer 06-02-13 07:20 AM


Originally Posted by EnsitMike (Post 15692592)
I know this may seem "tasteless" now days, but I grew up dreaming of one day being like Armstrong. I rode mountain my whole childhood and always had him in mind. Since I've recently gotten into road after a very long break from riding, I still picture Lance riding next to me. I don't know what it is, but I can sprint endlessly up hills and absolutely dust my buddies who don't seem to have the same inspiration, I'm talking gaining a minute on one hill not a couple seconds.

It may be fitness, or genetics, but it feels psychological because I know I am in pain, but I just don't let it stop me like they do.

I understand, except my heros are Mark Cavendish or Fabian Cancellera. Mark's first season was the first year I started watching cycling. Since then, I've been hooked. As I entered my first triathlon, which had the swim leg cancelled so we started TT style on bikes, I pictured Fabian Cancellera time trialing after dropping Peter Sagan in the Tour of Flanders this year. Cheesy, yes. Psychologically boosting, perhaps.

I do tend to psych myself out, especially in running. I get caught up with hitting certain paces no matter what and tend to ignore how I feel until it all comes crashing back onto me. I've since taken out the option of seeing my current pace on runs, or rides, which allows me to focus on maintaining what I can do long term. As per hills? I just try to take each a section at a time. I did so on the 2nd biggest hill of my triathlon. I divided it up and ended up passing 10+ people here. I got anxious on the next hill (probably the 1st biggest hill) and attacked from the start and barely grinded over the top. In that 5 minute window, I learned how to climb well and how to not climb.

Dudelsack 06-02-13 07:34 AM

90% of cycling is 50% mental.

Nachoman 06-02-13 07:42 AM

Speaking of . . . .
I've been wanting to read a book called "Sport Psychology for Cyclists" by Saul Miller.
It allegedly teaches athletes how to cultivate the thoughts, feelings, and insights necessary for optimal cycling performance.

banerjek 06-02-13 07:51 AM


Originally Posted by thehammerdog (Post 15692306)
I found that since I could not see far ahead I powered over hills that I would normally see and get psyched out before even reaching them. I rode more consistent and less fearful of the hills. I am not a climber. This was the second time I rode with out my glasses and found that my lack of vision helps me focus on riding and not the pending hills....

This sounds dangerous. Your sight tells you of a wide variety of threats you really need to know about as soon as possible so you can respond appropriately.

Getting psyched out is a separate problem. My guess is that problem will go away on its own as you ride more.

Rowan 06-02-13 07:52 AM

I was riding a treat up to January 2009, then raging bushfires swept through my area, destroying my home and killing 34 people in a nearby township. I stopped riding for months as I picked up the pieces. I still am nowhere back to where I was when I rode my fastest-ever century in January 2009.

External factors can play on a rider's mind as much as the immediate environment.

rpenmanparker 06-02-13 08:18 AM


Originally Posted by thehammerdog (Post 15692306)
As someone who wears glasses and thus needs contacts to sport fancy sunglasses I rode today with shades and no contacts. I found that since I could not see far ahead I powered over hills that I would normally see and get psyched out before even reaching them. I rode more consistent and less fearful of the hills. I am not a climber. This was the second time I rode with out my glasses and found that my lack of vision helps me focus on riding and not the pending hills....I was wondering if anyone else psyches themselves out when riding?

1 mile sprint in 2.37 not bawls out but steady push.

It is contrary to the point of your post, but perhaps you are not aware that many lines of stylish cycling shades are available to be fitted with prescription lenses mounted behind or instead of the standard lens. This has become quite common. You can buy the base sunglasses from a sporting goods supplier and take them to the optometrist/optician to be fitted with the prescription lenses or in some cases buy the whole thing from the optician. Just sayin' you don't have to wear a combination of shades and contacts. I am sure many will respond that wearing contacts while riding is quite routine, but after I had the wind blow a lens out of my eye (with shades) and had to ride home half blind, I said never again.

kenji666 06-02-13 08:33 AM

Just tell your body to stop complaining (paraphrased from Jens Voigt).

Thunder Horse 05-29-17 06:18 AM

Here is a story I often think about before a race. It is about Rik Van Steenbergen and Fausto Coppi during the 1952 Paris-Roubaix.

'...Van Steenbergen had won Paris-Roubaix in 1948, and Coppi two years later. Both knew each other well by this time, both had beaten the other, and this time each intended to win.

On entering the cobbled section, Coppi attacked with Ferdi Kubler. Van Steenbergen, farther back in the group, didn't even see the move. Once he found out he had little time to rectify matters. The Italian's reputation for never being caught was well known to the Belgian. Rik seized a chance and exploded off the front, hurtling over the cobbles while weaving from one side of the road to the other in search of the best line. He could see Coppi and Kubler from the dust they picked up. How could Rik hope to bring back two of the best time trialists in the world?

Rik recounted, "It took everything I had, and then some, to get up to them. When I finally caught them Coppi gave me the blackest look and attacked. I hadn't recuperated from the chase and I honestly don't know how I held onto him. I thought my heart was going to burst. Coppi accelerated again and again and Kubler was dropped. One more attack and I couldn't have held him either, but then I realized that even the championissimo was beginning to tire. At the moment when I was about to let him go, he eased up. Once on the track in Roubaix he didn't really contest the sprint." '
- Owen Mulholland (2006). Cycling's Golden Age: heroes of the postwar era, 1946-1967. Velo Press Books (pp.40-42)

Rik van Steenbergen won the race.

dirtydozen 05-29-17 07:41 AM

look after your safety tho, you may dislike seeing hills but if you can have a nasty crash because you didn't have your glasses on or weren't looking properly at the road

i personally like seeing a huge climb so i can feel like Lance in the TdF

Maelochs 05-29-17 08:23 AM

Now that uyou know what you were doing, wear your corrective lenses and control your own actions. Don't look all the way up the hill .... but compromising safety for speed? The reward better be huge.

PepeM 05-29-17 08:30 AM

The thread is old lads.


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