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Old 06-12-13, 08:48 AM   #1
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2013 - do all glueless patches still suck?

ok,

i carry 2 tubes and a pump, i still want a backup

carrying 2 tubes means i will try patching -> almost never

which means if i have a regular glue patch kit, the glue will INEVITABLY be dried up
(even if i never opened the tube)

if i don;t want to bother with buying new glue every year, and wanted to try glueless as a last resort, what are the current best ones?

(since they need to last practically forever, i am also not interested in glueless patches whose adhesive becomes invalid in a year or two, either)

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Old 06-12-13, 08:53 AM   #2
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They always have been, and still are, great temporary ​patches.
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They always have been, and still are, great temporary ​patches.
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I keep the patch kit at home - the glue wont dry up as fast if its not out in the heat with you. I only patch at home. I've heard there are decent stick-on patches out there, but cant bring myself to trust them.
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Old 06-12-13, 09:18 AM   #5
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if you only patch at home though, you may get stuck somewhere..

the best thing for home patching is a CAN of glue
costs about $8 on amazon, no stupid tube to dry out


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so the glueless patches dry out too?
what a @#$ pain!
(if they do)
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I've had glueless patches on my tubes for well over a year with no problem. The Park variety.
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i mean if they just stay in the tool bag, on the bike, are there any that last 4-5 years?

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I've never been stuck carrying 2 tubes for long rides (100mi +), 1 for shorter rides. It might happen one day, but you cant carry 20lbs of stuff "just in case".

Its not that the glueless patches dry out they just work differently. Despite the name, they use an adhesive like tape. Traditional patches use a vulcanizing fluid that actually breaks down the rubber and fuses it to the patch - like a chemical rubber weld. In the heat, an adhesive softens and can come off. A vulcanized patch will not fail if its done right.
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ok so one vote for Park
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I've had good luck with lezyne glueless patches.
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Huh? Maybe the Glueless Patch Gods are smiling on me because I've never had a problem with them. I've used the Park ones and Slime Skabs, both of which work well for me.
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Never had issues with the glueless patch from Target with my MTB. I had a flat last week with my road bike and I had with me a glue-on. It was too much work and took a while for the glue to dry. Going back to Target and get more of those glueless patch before this weekend ride... just in case.
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so the glueless patches dry out too?
what a @#$ pain!
(if they do)
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The little clear glueless patches definitely go bad over time in a saddle bag. I've learned this the hard way.
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target?
what brand?
they probably change brands every time something cheaper comes along
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I've had Park patches last quite a long time on and off the bike. I will usually put a new tube on the road and patch the leaky one at home to get a good repair done and put that back in the tire. Put the new tube back in the bag. That way, next ride if my tire is still inflated then i know the patch is good and it is stuck up against the tire for good pressure. And always have the new tube in the bag.
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We use glueless patches and have never had one fail. Normally we carry tubes for on the road with patches as back up. Once a tube is in the tire it stays there until it flats. I can't say that the patched ones had any shorter life than a new one.
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I have never used a patch with glue, and never had any issues with the Park ones I used with adhesive. Tubeless now, so I don't even have to think about it, but those patches never caused a problem.
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Even if glueless patches worked fine, it's easier to just carry 1 or 2 spare tubes on the road and patch at home.

If I were on a multiday or other event where I absolutely needed patches as a backup, I'd probably just carry the regular ones, as it's only trivially longer for the glue to dry (30seconds to dry).
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Even if glueless patches worked fine, it's easier to just carry 1 or 2 spare tubes on the road and patch at home.

If I were on a multiday or other event where I absolutely needed patches as a backup, I'd probably just carry the regular ones, as it's only trivially longer for the glue to dry (30seconds to dry).

yes but that isn;t the issue, the issue is

1. i do carry 2 tubes, i still want backup

2. the glue is invariably dry no matter what, with the ''regular ones''

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I've had good luck with Topeak Fly Paper glueless patches. One held for 6+ moths before it developed a slow leak, and by slow leak I mean around 15psi loss over 24 hours. Obviously don't work as permanent patches, but still very good considering the ease of use and how little space they take.
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Huh? Maybe the Glueless Patch Gods are smiling on me because I've never had a problem with them. I've used the Park ones and Slime Skabs, both of which work well for me.
Then they must be frowning on me as I've had minimal success with glueless patches. I will keep trying as I hate throwing away $6 tubes with small punctures. Maybe the Topeak mentioned above....
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I've got some glueless patches of varying makes, but really haven't used them at all. I carry a traditional patch kit as my backup to to a tube. I prefer the Rema tiptop kits.
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Then they must be frowning on me as I've had minimal success with glueless patches. I will keep trying as I hate throwing away $6 tubes with small punctures. Maybe the Topeak mentioned above....
Why throw them away? Why not use the old style vulcanizing patches which last forever?
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yes but that isn;t the issue, the issue is

1. i do carry 2 tubes, i still want backup

2. the glue is invariably dry no matter what, with the ''regular ones''

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Consensus:

The glueless adhesive patches are fine for a quick on-the-road repair but are not designed to be permanent.

The permanent patches are best done at home, batch-patch style.

So as a back-up on the road, it makes sense to have a few peel-and-stick patches, they are small and hopefully you won't even need them.
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