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Should a high quality very costly bike be based upon ability? Not cash in hand?

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Old 06-22-13, 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Dudelsack
Maybe I can clear it up for you. In the pragmatist, streetwise climate of advanced postmodern capitalism, with its scepticism of big pictures and grand narratives, its hard-nosed disenchantment with the metaphysical, 'life' is one among a whole series of discredited totalities. We are invited to think small rather than big – ironically, at just the point when some of those out to destroy Western civilization are doing exactly the opposite. In the conflict between Western capitalism and radical Islam, a paucity of belief squares up to an excess of it. The West finds itself faced with a full-blooded metaphysical onslaught at just the historical point that it has, so to speak, philosophically disarmed. As far as belief goes, postmodernism prefers to travel light: it has beliefs, to be sure, but it does not have faith.
I'm not a post-modernist; Islamist or communist.....I'm an ultra-conservative.
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Originally Posted by SolitaryRider
I'm not a post-modernist; Islamist or communist.....I'm an ultra-conservative.
Well fine. I'm a postmodern Islamist Communist, and anyone who doesn't like it is itching for a fight.
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Originally Posted by SolitaryRider
I'm not a post-modernist; Islamist or communist.....I'm an ultra-conservative.
Knock me over with a feather.
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Originally Posted by Dudelsack
Well fine. I'm a postmodern Islamist Communist, and anyone who doesn't like it is itching for a fight.
I kind of like it, not that I believe it. nor can picture how that all works together ... unless you're serious, then I take it back about not believing you which should be vague and deconstructionist enough for any postmodernist.
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Originally Posted by wphamilton
I kind of like it, not that I believe it. nor can picture how that all works together ... unless you're serious, then I take it back about not believing you which should be vague and deconstructionist enough for any postmodernist.
It's nothing but context......
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Oh come on guys! Don't kill it now. We're within spitting distance of taking a yes or no question to 40 pages.
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To answer the OP's question, no I don't think it should be based on ability. Spend your money as you choose it. We all know that usually the only thing limiting the bike-rider system is the rider, so one could buy the bike if able, then train the body to match / catch up, or invest the money first into training the body, then buy the bike as a "reward for hard work".
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Originally Posted by wphamilton
I kind of like it, not that I believe it. nor can picture how that all works together ... unless you're serious, then I take it back about not believing you which should be vague and deconstructionist enough for any postmodernist.
Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.

So if you buy a bike way more expensive than you need, you oppress the working classes. Or maybe you help them by giving them something to do. Or they could just stop working and draw on the coffers of the state. It seems like it would be fair if the government provided us with Cervelos. Unless you don't like Cervelos, in which case it would be unfair. Make it a Scott and we'll call it a day. Or not.
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Originally Posted by SolitaryRider
I'm not a post-modernist; Islamist or communist.....I'm an ultra-conservative.
So... Shouldn't you be encouraging Capitalist Consumption?
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Obviously one has the freedom to purchase what one wishes with the funds on hand. Doesn't make for smart choices sometimes.

Over in Commie loving Uhmerica hatin' Honduras, the filthy Communist pigs enforced music programs amongst the undeserving lazy underclass. One of them rose to prominence and is now the Conductor for the Los Angeles Philarmonic.

Out there in some ghetto-ass 'hood is some kid on a janky Wal-Mart fixie who could outsprint Montgomery Burns on his Pinnarello Dogma. Ol' Burns of course is deserving of the finer things in life, he worked hard, pulled the right strings, did some favors. Why shouldn't he have the right to buy whatever piece of sports equipment that he is unable to master? That kid out there obviously doesn't deserve it. His Mom's too busy working, Dad's not around. Guess he has to somehow work is way up the ladder, and hopefully not get outsourced, or laid-off by Mr. Burns, or just not get hired at all. And some day, maybe in 20 years, he can afford Mr. Burns weekend toy.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
None of this computes. I've done the local race training ride in a number of different communities, on both coasts, and I've never seen the local hammerfest where there was a sweep, or that matter where anyone gave a talk to the newbies.
I also travel a good bit. Just about every local hammerfest I've done, including all the out of town ones all over the country, consists of someone asking if anyone is new and does everyone know how to get back. Then there's a sheet to pick up if you don't. They generally start off easy for a few miles, then the pace picks up, and everyone chats at the parking lot at the end.
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Originally Posted by Dudelsack
Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.

So if you buy a bike way more expensive than you need, you oppress the working classes. Or maybe you help them by giving them something to do. Or they could just stop working and draw on the coffers of the state. It seems like it would be fair if the government provided us with Cervelos. Unless you don't like Cervelos, in which case it would be unfair. Make it a Scott and we'll call it a day. Or not.
I'd forgotten how deeply those guys spread it. But you know, it isn't socialist to ask whether someone deserves something. Maybe to actually care whether they deserve it tends to socialism.
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Originally Posted by wphamilton
I'd forgotten how deeply those guys spread it. But you know, it isn't socialist to ask whether someone deserves something. Maybe to actually care whether they deserve it tends to socialism.
Definition of SOCIALISM


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: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
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a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
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: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
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 I gathered all my eggs in one basket, because I believe in collectivism, and I wanted a tyrannical omelet.
 I put two bricks side by side in the grass and called it a race. Neither one moved so I renamed it a tie. It’s too bad too, because the winner would have won a new home, with air travel tossed in, a view, a window, and a chance to help start the process of repairing a broken home.

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You are mistaken, Dudel, to imagine that this is about politics or freedom. It is a matter of aesthetics, of taste. It is simply vulgar for a crap cyclist to have a beautiful bike, it's like buying a Stradivarius for a talentless violinist. There's no law against it, it's not immoral, it's just - Naff.
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I think it should be based on physical appearance.

Fat and ugly people get Specialized. Hotties and hunks get anything else.
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Originally Posted by canam73
I think it should be based on physical appearance.

Fat and ugly people get Specialized. Hotties and hunks get anything else.
Now you're talking!
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Originally Posted by chasm54
You are mistaken, Dudel, to imagine that this is about politics or freedom. It is a matter of aesthetics, of taste. It is simply vulgar for a crap cyclist to have a beautiful bike, it's like buying a Stradivarius for a talentless violinist. There's no law against it, it's not immoral, it's just - Naff.
Who isn't a 'crap' cyclist?
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Originally Posted by gregf83
Who isn't a 'crap' cyclist?
Ah, well, everything is relative, isn't it? And life is full of value judgements.... which some might categorise as prejudices, of course.
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