if the bike gods said you could only ride a bike Under the $1K limit ....could you??
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You don't know what you're talking about. You may not know how to differentiate bicycles, but many others do.
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This is it.
I have numerous bicycles ranging from inexpensive to expensive ... because I can. Because I wanted them. Because I enjoy bicycles.
My choice of bicycles has nothing whatsoever to do with making me faster ... I'd need a lot more than an expensive bicycle for that.
But each bicycle I own has a purpose.
Rowan and I have a tandem ... because I was struggling to keep up with him when I was in the early stages of recovering from DVT, we borrowed a tandem to see if that might help me, it did, so we bought one. We chose the one we did because the one we borrowed had a harsh ride and we were uncomfortable on rides over 160 km. The one we bought was available here in Australia, was available relatively close to where we lived, and has a more comfortable ride.
I have a touring bicycle ... because I enjoy cycletouring. Right now it is set up with wider tires so it can be ridden on the gravel rail trails around here.
I have a titanium road bicycle ... because I wanted a titanium road bicycle for years, and in 2010 the opportunity presented itself.
Etc. Etc.
I have numerous bicycles ranging from inexpensive to expensive ... because I can. Because I wanted them. Because I enjoy bicycles.
My choice of bicycles has nothing whatsoever to do with making me faster ... I'd need a lot more than an expensive bicycle for that.
But each bicycle I own has a purpose.
Rowan and I have a tandem ... because I was struggling to keep up with him when I was in the early stages of recovering from DVT, we borrowed a tandem to see if that might help me, it did, so we bought one. We chose the one we did because the one we borrowed had a harsh ride and we were uncomfortable on rides over 160 km. The one we bought was available here in Australia, was available relatively close to where we lived, and has a more comfortable ride.
I have a touring bicycle ... because I enjoy cycletouring. Right now it is set up with wider tires so it can be ridden on the gravel rail trails around here.
I have a titanium road bicycle ... because I wanted a titanium road bicycle for years, and in 2010 the opportunity presented itself.
Etc. Etc.
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Ditto! I find the vintage bikes much more appealing than the look-a-like black plastic "superbikes" of today. I could even see people buying these ridiculously expensive bikes if they were exceedingly gorgeous [picture lush mirror-gloss paint with chromed lugs...] but so many of these modern bikes are bland at best....and often hideous at worst.)
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Ditto! I find the vintage bikes much more appealing than the look-a-like black plastic "superbikes" of today. I could even see people buying these ridiculously expensive bikes if they were exceedingly gorgeous [picture lush mirror-gloss paint with chromed lugs...] but so many of these modern bikes are bland at best....and often hideous at worst.)
It makes a much sense as saying those Picasso's are hideous. I could seeing people buying his paintings if he painted more like Monet.
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Please elaborate. Tell us how many bikes you've ridden and how they are all exactly the same in comfort, performance (and remember, performance isn't just about how fast the rider can make it go), and enjoyment of a ride (and remember, not every ride is one of your rides).
Tell us how there is nothing to differentiate a Roubaix and a Venge, to pick two bikes that I think are very different, for instance.
You are attempting to lecture authoritatively from a what appears to be a position of nearly pure ignorance. In your shoes, I'd be embarrassed.
Tell us how there is nothing to differentiate a Roubaix and a Venge, to pick two bikes that I think are very different, for instance.
You are attempting to lecture authoritatively from a what appears to be a position of nearly pure ignorance. In your shoes, I'd be embarrassed.
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I certainly prefer the look of the 'vintage' bikes and would much rather drop coin on them than the more modern designs (speaking of purely frames of course). I would drop coin on a modern set of wheels though...and electronic shifting is cool. Just my opinion of course, but a bike under 1000 bucks, I would be searching for something more vintage than modern.
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Ditto! I find the vintage bikes much more appealing than the look-a-like black plastic "superbikes" of today. I could even see people buying these ridiculously expensive bikes if they were exceedingly gorgeous [picture lush mirror-gloss paint with chromed lugs...] but so many of these modern bikes are bland at best....and often hideous at worst.)
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I'm 7' 1" and looking for a 72cm titanium kidback tandem frame to ride with my 6' 11" daughter who is only 9 years old but is afflicted with gigantism.
I've looked in Craigslist and Walmart and haven't been able to find the right bike for my price range.
I'm looking for used, and PLEASE be less than $700. Thank you!!
I've looked in Craigslist and Walmart and haven't been able to find the right bike for my price range.
I'm looking for used, and PLEASE be less than $700. Thank you!!
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My bike cost $650. The only components I've put on it were $60 clipless/dual sided pedals. So yes, I can keep it under the $1k limit even if I upgrade some of the other components.
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I didn't Assume anything, i test rode a $4000.00 Cannondale road bike and it seemed to accelerate better but i bought my $500.00 because that is what i could afford...Still that carbon fiber Cannondale was sweet...
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Yes, personal taste has a lot to do with it- but no matter how much I liked any bike, it just is not worth 10,000 clams. I see some of the vintage bikes I like going for ridiculous money, too. -Still not anywhere near the $10K range....but none-the-less ridiculous for an old bike. As much as I may like them, I wouldn't pay three grand for an old De Rosa! I MIGHT pay $3K for a new bike if I were feeling extravagant and it suited my fancy.
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And that's an honest answer! Admit that it's just jewelry....then there's no pretentious BS about how the bike does this and the bike does that and why one "needs" such a bike. But notice how few will admit that. I'm happy to see people enjoying their wealth (or what part of it hasn't been confiscated yet by the Infernal Resource Stealers) as opposed to tightwads who live like paupers and then leave millions to their kids who visited them once a year....but darn!....they just look stupid when they try and rationalize such a purchase, rather than just accepting that such a purchase is just like buying a $10K ring or a $10K watch. (Well, O-K, even I'll admit that such money spent on any bike is better than the ring or watch! 
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Exactly. Unlike a car, where a $200K car even with a bad driver can out-perform any $20K, even with the best driver....you put any rider on a $10K bike or a $2K bike, and there will be virtually no difference in performance; comfort; enjoyment of the ride, etc. because it is JUST A BICYCLE regardless of how much it costs, and there is no suspension or motor or woodgrain trim; it's not a complex machine with thousands of parts, like a car; it's a simple machine with a few dozen parts- and no matter how good; how light; how fancy you make those few simple parts, once a certain level of quality has been reached, the simplicity of the machine determines that there can really be no meaningful gains beyond that point.
)Exactly. Unlike a car, where a $200K car even with a bad driver can out-perform any $20K, even with the best driver....you put any rider on a $10K bike or a $2K bike, and there will be virtually no difference in performance; comfort; enjoyment of the ride, etc. because it is JUST A BICYCLE regardless of how much it costs, and there is no suspension or motor or woodgrain trim; it's not a complex machine with thousands of parts, like a car; it's a simple machine with a few dozen parts- and no matter how good; how light; how fancy you make those few simple parts, once a certain level of quality has been reached, the simplicity of the machine determines that there can really be no meaningful gains beyond that point.
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Ditto! I find the vintage bikes much more appealing than the look-a-like black plastic "superbikes" of today. I could even see people buying these ridiculously expensive bikes if they were exceedingly gorgeous [picture lush mirror-gloss paint with chromed lugs...] but so many of these modern bikes are bland at best....and often hideous at worst.)
I'm not trying to impose my tastes on anyone- just stating my opinion. Luckily, everyone is still free enough to do what they deem appropriate with their own money. (And I would give you 20 Picassos for one Monet!).
Yes, personal taste has a lot to do with it- but no matter how much I liked any bike, it just is not worth 10,000 clams. I see some of the vintage bikes I like going for ridiculous money, too. -Still not anywhere near the $10K range....but none-the-less ridiculous for an old bike. As much as I may like them, I wouldn't pay three grand for an old De Rosa! I MIGHT pay $3K for a new bike if I were feeling extravagant and it suited my fancy.
Yes, personal taste has a lot to do with it- but no matter how much I liked any bike, it just is not worth 10,000 clams. I see some of the vintage bikes I like going for ridiculous money, too. -Still not anywhere near the $10K range....but none-the-less ridiculous for an old bike. As much as I may like them, I wouldn't pay three grand for an old De Rosa! I MIGHT pay $3K for a new bike if I were feeling extravagant and it suited my fancy.
But you're going beyond that when you criticize others for liking them.
You're failing to see the distinction between "I think modern bikes are ugly", and "I can't imagine anyone could possibly find modern bikes attractive."
I love Frederick Hart's work.
I think Jackson Pollack's work is trash.
That's my opinion. I don't go around telling people they're foolish to spend money on Jackson Pollack's work, and should instead collect Hart.
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I'm not trying to impose my tastes on anyone- just stating my opinion. Luckily, everyone is still free enough to do what they deem appropriate with their own money. (And I would give you 20 Picassos for one Monet!).
Yes, personal taste has a lot to do with it- but no matter how much I liked any bike, it just is not worth 10,000 clams. I see some of the vintage bikes I like going for ridiculous money, too. -Still not anywhere near the $10K range....but none-the-less ridiculous for an old bike. As much as I may like them, I wouldn't pay three grand for an old De Rosa! I MIGHT pay $3K for a new bike if I were feeling extravagant and it suited my fancy.
Yes, personal taste has a lot to do with it- but no matter how much I liked any bike, it just is not worth 10,000 clams. I see some of the vintage bikes I like going for ridiculous money, too. -Still not anywhere near the $10K range....but none-the-less ridiculous for an old bike. As much as I may like them, I wouldn't pay three grand for an old De Rosa! I MIGHT pay $3K for a new bike if I were feeling extravagant and it suited my fancy.
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He isn't wrong on all the counts. An expensive bike may not be more enjoyable or comfortable than a less expensive model....I would say there will be quite a performance difference though.
06-25-13, 11:53 AM
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Solitary, I agree..mostly. On performance, aero bars, helmet, even tires have a greater impact over almost anything else. https://www.bikeradar.com/road/gear/a...is-aero-19273/
Upgrading a frameset is mostly about personal gratification. Components tend to be higher on expensive bikes, but above Rival/Tiagra level (providing sufficient gearing, of course) these doesn't impact performance much. The exception to all of this is contact points--you gotta feel comfortable on your bike, and a frame that fits better may be more costly. It's just as likely that there is a cheap version of the "hi-mod" frame which would work equally as well.
I disagree on the point of "enjoyment". This is subjective and cannot be objectively measured. However if investing $3 or 4 or even $10K makes people believe that they are faster, and they ride more and are happier then I'd say it's a "good" investment, irrespective of the actual objective metrics we typically use to measure performance.
Upgrading a frameset is mostly about personal gratification. Components tend to be higher on expensive bikes, but above Rival/Tiagra level (providing sufficient gearing, of course) these doesn't impact performance much. The exception to all of this is contact points--you gotta feel comfortable on your bike, and a frame that fits better may be more costly. It's just as likely that there is a cheap version of the "hi-mod" frame which would work equally as well.
I disagree on the point of "enjoyment". This is subjective and cannot be objectively measured. However if investing $3 or 4 or even $10K makes people believe that they are faster, and they ride more and are happier then I'd say it's a "good" investment, irrespective of the actual objective metrics we typically use to measure performance.
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No. He's wrong to categorically deny that there will be any difference in comfort or enjoyment of the ride. There may, or there may not be. Enjoyment is entirely subjective and comfort varies quite a bit depending upon lots of factors.
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It's fine for you to have the opinion that modern bikes are not aesthetically pleasing to you.
But you're going beyond that when you criticize others for liking them.
You're failing to see the distinction between "I think modern bikes are ugly", and "I can't imagine anyone could possibly find modern bikes attractive."
I love Frederick Hart's work.
I think Jackson Pollack's work is trash.
That's my opinion. I don't go around telling people they're foolish to spend money on Jackson Pollack's work, and should instead collect Hart.
But you're going beyond that when you criticize others for liking them.
You're failing to see the distinction between "I think modern bikes are ugly", and "I can't imagine anyone could possibly find modern bikes attractive."
I love Frederick Hart's work.
I think Jackson Pollack's work is trash.
That's my opinion. I don't go around telling people they're foolish to spend money on Jackson Pollack's work, and should instead collect Hart.
Even if I did.... 2)There is a certain amount of money which is just too muich for a bicycle! I was trying to point that out when I said that many of the vintage bikes which I like are over-priced, and that I would not pay that much for them.
How much would you pay for a shoelace? No matter how great it may be; no matter how nice it may look, would you pay $3K for a shoelace? Wouldn't you think that someone who paid $3K for a shoelace was foolish? Same with bikes- because no matter how you embellish them...they are just bikes!
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No- these are two distinct issues: 1)I don't find modern superbikes to be aesthetically appealing to my tastes.
Even I did.... 2)There is a certain amount of money which is just too muich for a bicycle! I was trying to point that out when I said that many of the vintage bikes which I like are over-priced, and that I would not pay that much for them.
How much would you pay for a shoelace? No matter how great it may be; no matter hoiw nice it may look, would you pay $3K for a shoelace? Wouldn't you think that someone who paid $3K for a shoelace was foolish? Same with bikes- because no matter how you embellish them...they are just bikes!
Even I did.... 2)There is a certain amount of money which is just too muich for a bicycle! I was trying to point that out when I said that many of the vintage bikes which I like are over-priced, and that I would not pay that much for them.
How much would you pay for a shoelace? No matter how great it may be; no matter hoiw nice it may look, would you pay $3K for a shoelace? Wouldn't you think that someone who paid $3K for a shoelace was foolish? Same with bikes- because no matter how you embellish them...they are just bikes!
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