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Old 06-30-13, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by pgjackson
Anyone who pays those prices for a bicycle is a fool.
Originally Posted by Jed19
Not so fast! It is all relative. If Bill Gates pays that much for a bike, is he a fool? Of course not. I once heard that total cost on a pizza for the delivery guys is less than $1, then how come they charge $15 for the darn pizza? My point? It is all relative. You or I won't pay that kind of price for a bike, but to say anyone who does is a fool is kinda rough.
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You can tell yourself that if it makes you feel better. A bike may not have $10k worth of difference to any other bike, but that's pocket change next to the $250000 difference you're defending.

Cars are far, far more ridiculous than bikes will ever be when it comes to price differences.
Is this the skill on bike versus money on hand thread revival???
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Originally Posted by darb85
because a tiagra chain or cassette is really going to make a difference in performance.

and if you think an ultegra bike with a few bits of tiagra or an out of sequence crank is lower end because of it, you are kidding yourself
Originally Posted by pgjackson
Anyone who pays those prices for a bicycle is a fool.
Word.




And on we go with yet another value thread. In before the inevitable lock.
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With other ultra high-end, super expensive items like houses, cars, boats...you generally get a product that is significantly better than lower end products. Usually they are completely custom made with components not available to the general public. Also the performance and quality of these luxury items is generally measurably better. It's not realy a matter of just having the money. It's a matter of frivolous spending on silly items that aren't really much different than less expensive products available to the general public. When you buy a $300,000 Bentley, you are getting a truly superior product over a run of the mill BMW 3-series. When you buy a $13,000 bicycle, you are not getting a product that is much different than a mid-level bike.
It's not performance that you buy, in cars. Otherwise, the Corvette would be top dog over cars that cost several times as much. Mostly it's dressings - paint, upholstery, etc.

You're free to keep digging but it's not going to go the way you want.
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Originally Posted by pgjackson
With other ultra high-end, super expensive items like houses, cars, boats...you generally get a product that is significantly better than lower end products. Usually they are completely custom made with components not available to the general public. Also the performance and quality of these luxury items is generally measurably better. It's not realy a matter of just having the money. It's a matter of frivolous spending on silly items that aren't really much different than less expensive products available to the general public. When you buy a $300,000 Bentley, you are getting a truly superior product over a run of the mill BMW 3-series. When you buy a $13,000 bicycle, you are not getting a product that is much different than a mid-level bike.
I agree with you except where do you factor in the law of diminshing returns? Is that $300k Bentley really $230,000 better than a BMW.
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Originally Posted by Bah Humbug
It's not performance that you buy, in cars. Otherwise, the Corvette would be top dog over cars that cost several times as much. Mostly it's dressings - paint, upholstery, etc.

You're free to keep digging but it's not going to go the way you want.
I'll take an M3 over a corvette any day.
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I agree with you except where do you factor in the law of diminshing returns? Is that $300k Bentley really $230,000 better than a BMW.
Perhaps when you factor in the hand-made craftsmanship, artistry and fine materials that go in to a Bently when compared to a mass-made assembly line BMW. I think if you drove a Bentley then a 3-series BWM, the differences would be obvious. Hell, the differences between a 5-series and a 3-series are obvious (I've owned 5 BMWs). The differences between a 7 and a 3 series are staggering. I'm just not sure the same difference are there with high-end bicycles.

I know this has been beaten to death in other threads. Didn't mean to hijack. Let's move along.
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I'll take an M3 over a corvette any day.
So would I... but it's not about performance. Which is my point.
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Originally Posted by ThinLine
Hell, I have even seen some bikes approaching $3k with Tiagra bits.
what bike was it?

I find that hard to believe. I personally wouldn't pay for any bike past $2000 with 105 gruppo UNLESS I really WANT the frame.
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