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    Quote Originally Posted by bikerjp View Post
    No idea. I just recall hearing them say a few times some rider was having shifting issue with the electronic stuff and then ask Kelly how many are using it and a short discussion ensues. To be honest, I don't even know how they knew it was electronic shifting. I certainly can't tell based on the TV coverage.
    Look at the rear derailleur. If there's no real loop for the cable, it's Di2.

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    Nobody made issues out of it except a brief blurb by the announcers but Goss had a shifting malfunction last year at the TdF during a sprint and Sagan had one towards the end of the stage one of the ATOC. Di2 and SRAM. I guess nothing is flawless under those conditions 100% of the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikerjp View Post
    No idea. I just recall hearing them say a few times some rider was having shifting issue with the electronic stuff and then ask Kelly how many are using it and a short discussion ensues. To be honest, I don't even know how they knew it was electronic shifting. I certainly can't tell based on the TV coverage.
    Yup. There have definitely been some issues and they have indeed commented on it. I believe one of the sprinters who didn't crash in stage 1 wasn't in the final sprint because his electrical system wouldn't shift at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deacon mark View Post
    This is not a question about racing but are the Tour riders using Di2 or mechanical? I would think the advantage would just not add up to use Di2. I have not heard anything about it on the TV coverage. Also in stage II I assume most are using a standard double? I wish these things would be reported more I find it interesting.
    Contador uses 53/39 + 11/28 for TdF. It was just pictured on Velonews for Stage 1 (which is flat).

    The compacts don't come out mid 2nd-3rd week.

    and Cav needs all the help in his gearing to haul up his butt. I don't see these pure sprinters catching up with Sagan for points if they're already getting dropped by the 2nd stage.
    Speaking of the Tour....did anyone see the 2nd stage race yesterday? At about the last 6 to 7 miles...a loose dog ran out into the rode...and almost took out the chasing pelton.....that was crazy...
    Happened last year too and it caused Gilbert to crash. He went after the owners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jakedatc View Post
    except teams that are on RED22, DI2 11 or Campy 11 who ride 11-25 for all but the most hilly stages and TT where they might stay with 10speed.

    I stream the eurosport coverage online every morning because Dave Harmon and Sean Kelly actually know what they are talking about and there aren't commercials every 2 minutes like NBCsports. They can also translate interviews in multiple languages.
    They can, except Harmon isn't commentating this year, he is off sick with depression. The person you are listening to is Carlton Kirby.
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    You can see that most riders have a standard racing double crankset. It's interesting when the camera cycles are beside the riders, and you can see them shifting. Mostly, it appears to be electronic rather than mechanical...but that's just from watching their hands on the controls. I think I'm not imagining it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chasm54 View Post
    They can, except Harmon isn't commentating this year, he is off sick with depression. The person you are listening to is Carlton Kirby.
    Right.. Carlton is also good. I couldn't find who was doing it this year for sure
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    Quote Originally Posted by chasm54 View Post
    They can, except Harmon isn't commentating this year, he is off sick with depression.
    Like a true cyclist give the man a custom Baum and I'm sure he'll be back to his old self

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    What is the rational behind going to 10 speed for TT and hilly stages. Just weight saving?


    Quote Originally Posted by Jakedatc View Post
    except teams that are on RED22, DI2 11 or Campy 11 who ride 11-25 for all but the most hilly stages and TT where they might stay with 10speed.

    I stream the eurosport coverage online every morning because Dave Harmon and Sean Kelly actually know what they are talking about and there aren't commercials every 2 minutes like NBCsports. They can also translate interviews in multiple languages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chasm54 View Post
    They can, except Harmon isn't commentating this year, he is off sick with depression. The person you are listening to is Carlton Kirby.
    I think Brian Smith and Magnus would be a good matchup. Bummer about Harmon though. He's the best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vlaam4ever View Post
    What is the rational behind going to 10 speed for TT and hilly stages. Just weight saving?
    or maybe slightly more aero?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jakedatc View Post
    Velonews.com has bike profiles almost every day from a different rider. you can see who is riding what for the most part. including what group and what crankset/cassette for the most part.
    Thanks for that info.

    Just checked the site, and it has excellent coverage of the techie details of the pro bikes!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Homebrew01 View Post
    I think Brian Smith and Magnus would be a good matchup. Bummer about Harmon though. He's the best.
    I don't know if you have heard the Australian guy, Matt Keenan, yet. Hopefully, he is the next Phil Liggett, but much, much better. Good handle on just about every aspect of the sport, doesn't have to think with pauses, gets it right 99% of the time, worth listening to.
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    Magnus is definitely good to have a sprinters point of view.. he does a lot of the spring races. As long as it's not Phil and Paul's senile babbling i'm happy.. hell i'll watch the Flemish, dutch, french versions before them, at least they get the names right.
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    So much has gone into the drive trains from SRAM, Campy and Shimano I would think they would upgrade the darn tricky rear brakes they all have.
    So many times you see a mechanic leaning out of a team car, left hand on the seat post of a rider alongside while the right hand makes rear brake adjustments.
    Also, wipe off the bottles before you hand them to the riders. Coming out of team cars, bottles are sticking to hands for several seconds before they come free.
    I know team cars are not giving free pushes to riders with these "sticky bottles" and "brake adjustments", no one ever cheats in the pro peleton.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanceoldstrong View Post
    So much has gone into the drive trains from SRAM, Campy and Shimano I would think they would upgrade the darn tricky rear brakes they all have.
    So many times you see a mechanic leaning out of a team car, left hand on the seat post of a rider alongside while the right hand makes rear brake adjustments.
    Also, wipe off the bottles before you hand them to the riders. Coming out of team cars, bottles are sticking to hands for several seconds before they come free.
    I know team cars are not giving free pushes to riders with these "sticky bottles" and "brake adjustments", no one ever cheats in the pro peleton.
    Have you ever handed off a bottle to another rider on the move? Most of the mechanicals that I have seen have been to adjust the rear derailleur.

    Riders have been penalised in the past for getting prolonged assistance from team cars. I suppose it comes down to what is reasonable and what is not and that is up to the referees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rowan View Post
    Single speed.
    It was norm for years.
    Until 1930s.

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    I actually like the Phil and Paul commentary. I do mostly watch before bed to calm down, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rowan View Post
    Have you ever handed off a bottle to another rider on the move? Most of the mechanicals that I have seen have been to adjust the rear derailleur.

    Riders have been penalised in the past for getting prolonged assistance from team cars. I suppose it comes down to what is reasonable and what is not and that is up to the referees.
    Just saw Sagan getting his right cleat adjusted by the mechanic hanging out of the right side of the team car. Twice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vlaam4ever View Post
    What is the rational behind going to 10 speed for TT and hilly stages. Just weight saving?
    Because many discs are still only designed for 10spd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanceoldstrong View Post
    So much has gone into the drive trains from SRAM, Campy and Shimano I would think they would upgrade the darn tricky rear brakes they all have.
    So many times you see a mechanic leaning out of a team car, left hand on the seat post of a rider alongside while the right hand makes rear brake adjustments.
    Also, wipe off the bottles before you hand them to the riders. Coming out of team cars, bottles are sticking to hands for several seconds before they come free.
    I know team cars are not giving free pushes to riders with these "sticky bottles" and "brake adjustments", no one ever cheats in the pro peleton.
    i hope this is joking.. the bottles aren't actually "sticky" and the rear brake adjustment is an excuse to give a little push that is usually ignored unless it gets excessive.

    the cleat adjustment by Sagan today was nuts.. their bike handling skills always amazes me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jakedatc View Post
    i hope this is joking..
    Yes, thanks for getting my dry sense of humor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanceoldstrong View Post
    Yes, thanks for getting my dry sense of humor.
    never know around here.... we got people asking when to shift for effs sake...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Dopolina View Post
    Because many discs are still only designed for 10spd.
    I don't pay enough attention to this sort of stuff, but BD, how many gears would those TTT riders have used? I would presume with one overpass, they might have needed three once they had got going?
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    ^^^ Tru dat.
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