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    Still need your legs to move those pedals . . .

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    Nice Job OP! One and done and you got the whole school following your bait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsharr View Post
    Nice Job OP! One and done and you got the whole school following your bait.

    Bait schmait...I'm in it for the fun. Plus I'm retired...and bored. And it's too hot to stay out and ride.
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    That went well for the OP

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    i still have DTS on my old steelie....id get campy's EPS...if i won the lottery
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    Quote Originally Posted by c0de View Post
    I said the same thing when double clutch DSG/SMG and the like went on the market for cars...yet now I drive one and love it.. I think the same thing will happen here.

    I thought exactly the same thing, I was a manual only guy since I learned to drive, along came the DSG in the BMW e92 M3 and I was hooked. Have not missed the manual transmission one bit. The shifting is fast fast fast, far more so than I could row the manual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Mitch View Post
    ....If I wanted an electric bike I would have bought one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nachoman View Post
    Why not?
    Doesn't seem like difference enough to make the ride that much more enjoyable for the money. Also there would be a little gremlin in the back of my mind wondering if the batteries would give out or something very small, specific, and expensive were about to disconnect.
    The mechanics of standard shifting are a lot simpler to me, so I find myself more willing to put my trust behind them.
    I'd still be willing to put it on a Tri bike for the extra performance, but not an every day thing.

    But I recognize that people were probably saying exactly this with the advent of STI shifters, so I won't say my position on it won't changeover time. Also, I've ridden Di2, but never actually owned or spent any significant amount of time on it, so there's a bit of a bias.

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    I'm with the OP on this one. Elec shifting works great, but IMO (like the OP's) bikes are mechanical and human powered. No plugging into a charger required (or firmware updates, etc.).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Mitch View Post
    I'm not sure if this should go in the road bike forum or the electric bike forum. I have always understood the art of bike riding to be the manual use of a (beautiful) mechanical device to travel. I am disgusted to hear of the creeping use of electronic shifters (and the mere hint of their use in the TdF). Computers are bad enough - but at least they don't actually help you drive the bike. What's next? automatic electronic transmissions so the rider doesn't have that knotty problem of deciding what gear to use?

    If I wanted an electric bike I would have bought one.
    I thought so at first and then I did a lengthy test ride on electronic Ultegra. Changed my mind...I see a use for it and think it superior to mechanical shifting. I even did a thread about it here afterwards about my epiphany.

    I don't have electronic shifting yet, but it is only because of cost. Hell, I'd even put it on my Rivendell.
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    i with you OP. i gave up on gears all together and ride single speed 90% of the time. the only time i ride a geared bike is off road or when im hill climbing on purpose.
    we've got both kinds, country and western.

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    Laugh and make the funny retro grouch comments all you want... Ones perceived age has nothing to do with it. The reality is that the bicycle took a VERY long time to evolve to be the simple, light HUMAN powered and operated machine it is today. It all about maximizing the puny amount of energy we humans output to make the most efficient means to move and to operate it from point A to B. Adding electro-servo motors to replace muscle power is the antithesis to what a bicycle is all about in the first place.

    IMO, electronic shifting is just a FAD, get it? Because if the fails don't make you quit it, planned obsolescence of the systems will. Saw a quite a few fails in the pro ranks over the past few years. No one wants to talk about them though. Why being so quiet? Oh, it may hurts sales, that's why...

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    Quote Originally Posted by eriku16 View Post
    Laugh and make the funny retro grouch comments all you want... Ones perceived age has nothing to do with it. The reality is that the bicycle took a VERY long time to evolve to be the simple, light HUMAN powered and operated machine it is today. It all about maximizing the puny amount of energy we humans output to make the most efficient means to move and to operate it from point A to B. Adding electro-servo motors to replace muscle power is the antithesis to what a bicycle is all about in the first place.

    IMO, electronic shifting is just a FAD, get it? Because if the fails don't make you quit it, planned obsolescence of the systems will. Saw a quite a few fails in the pro ranks over the past few years. No one wants to talk about them though. Why being so quiet? Oh, it may hurts sales, that's why...
    If it was about efficiency you'd be riding a 'bent velomobile, but you aren't.

    I'm not sure why some people are so determined to define what a bicycle means to every person on Earth, regardless of what it might actually mean to other people. It speaks of a desperate need to convince themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerull View Post
    If it was about efficiency you'd be riding a 'bent velomobile, but you aren't.
    Sheesh... Ok, I thought it was obivious. How about double diamond upright frame? Is that good enough for ya pal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eriku16 View Post
    Laugh and make the funny retro grouch comments all you want... Ones perceived age has nothing to do with it. The reality is that the bicycle took a VERY long time to evolve to be the simple, light HUMAN powered and operated machine it is today. It all about maximizing the puny amount of energy we humans output to make the most efficient means to move and to operate it from point A to B. Adding electro-servo motors to replace muscle power is the antithesis to what a bicycle is all about in the first place.

    IMO, electronic shifting is just a FAD, get it? Because if the fails don't make you quit it, planned obsolescence of the systems will. Saw a quite a few fails in the pro ranks over the past few years. No one wants to talk about them though. Why being so quiet? Oh, it may hurts sales, that's why...
    I'm sure that your wisdom will be heeded by the entire cycling community and change their ways. You should publish a paper and show them the error of their ways. Those heathens!
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    Quote Originally Posted by eriku16 View Post
    Sheesh... Ok, I thought it was obivious. How about double diamond upright frame? Is that good enough for ya pal?
    No. You are not riding the most efficient human-powered means to move from point A to B. By your own metric, you are a complete failure. Don't you know that's what bicycling is all about? You're not allowed to bike for enjoyment, sport, fitness, or any other reason.

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    For me personally i can't stand electronic shifting, feels like there is a disconnect from the bike. As far as racing i think it's kind of BS they use it, but i really don't care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elduderino2412 View Post
    For me personally i can't stand electronic shifting, feels like there is a disconnect from the bike. As far as racing i think it's kind of BS they use it, but i really don't care.
    Really? I just didn't see it that way when I rode it...and I ride friction barend shifters normally. I never really liked mechanical brifters all that much, but have a totally different opinion of the electronic stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RJM View Post
    Really? I just didn't see it that way when I rode it...and I ride friction barend shifters normally. I never really liked mechanical brifters all that much, but have a totally different opinion of the electronic stuff.
    I get why people like DI2, but it just isn't for me. Not to sound to hippie dippie, but electronic shifters kind of ruin the whole zen feeling of riding.

    I'm way to young to use the phrase hippie dippie BTW

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looigi View Post
    I'm with the OP on this one. Elec shifting works great, but IMO (like the OP's) bikes are mechanical and human powered. No plugging into a charger required (or firmware updates, etc.).
    The reality is that the bicycle took a VERY long time to evolve to be the simple, light HUMAN powered and operated machine it is today. It all about maximizing the puny amount of energy we humans output to make the most efficient means to move and to operate it from point A to B. Adding electro-servo motors to replace muscle power is the antithesis to what a bicycle is all about in the first place.

    For me personally i can't stand electronic shifting, feels like there is a disconnect from the bike. As far as racing i think it's kind of BS they use it, but i really don't care

    Glad to see that some of the posters get it.

    It's not about trying to define biking for the world it's just that I like to call a fish a fish and a horse a horse. Let's not blur the lines too much.

    If electronic shifters are as smooth as most bike computers I'll see the rest of you standing around the start of the ride fiddling with them for twenty minutes before you can begin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Mitch View Post
    It's not about trying to define biking for the world it's just that I like to call a fish a fish and a horse a horse. Let's not blur the lines too much.
    So... you're trying to define "bike" for us all.

    Can we agree to call a retro-grouch a retro-grouch?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThermionicScott View Post
    ...That is, unless a quantum leap happens and CVTs become light enough to compete with derailleur systems.
    CVT on a bike.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by svtmike View Post
    So... you're trying to define "bike" for us all.

    Can we agree to call a retro-grouch a retro-grouch?
    I don't think anyone is trying to define it... only what it's not...

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    Quote Originally Posted by eriku16 View Post
    I don't think anyone is trying to define it... only what it's not...
    Semantics. It's only in his imagination that there is some broad intent that bicycles be entirely battery free and about maximizing efficiency. That's just his individual, highly restricted view that bicycle riders as a whole don't share.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blittz View Post
    CVT on a bike.....
    images.jpg
    Why not? I have gobs of excess watts to give a CVT a whirl...

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