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Old 07-02-13, 09:33 PM
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No one on the 41 would admit to only producing 210 watts.

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Sparing the rider from expending the power required to mechanically shift is not the reason Di2 exists.

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Originally Posted by Bacciagalupe
the pros have had lots of "fails" with mechanical shifting over the years -- the most notorious in recent memory being Andy Schleck dropping a chain during the 2010 Tour de France.
Obviously his mechanic is less competent than a drunken monkey.
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Originally Posted by Bah Humbug
Obviously his mechanic is less competent than a drunken monkey.
At least it didn't cost him the Tour. That would have been bad.
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Originally Posted by svtmike
Sparing the rider from expending the power required to mechanically shift is not the reason Di2 exists.

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I've heard the argument on this forum.
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Originally Posted by awsimons
I've heard the argument on this forum.
There is more than a slim chance that it was made entirely in jest.
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Originally Posted by Bah Humbug
I have the feeling those *****ing about electronic shifters would be *****ing about brifters a generation ago, indexed shifting two generations ago, and derailleurs three generations ago.

I may have my exact timeline wrong, but you get the idea.
Nope, they had distinct performance advantages, especially for racers... Electronic shifters have no benefit that would win race. But they have a lot of potential to lose one.
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Old 07-03-13, 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by eriku16
Nope, they had distinct performance advantages, especially for racers... Electronic shifters have no benefit that would win race. But they have a lot of potential to lose one.
Such as.........

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Originally Posted by svtmike
Such as.........

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I assume it's either "I don't understand electronics so it might suddenly decide to only give you your 53x11" or "I don't understand electronics so the battery might suddenly die without warning" combined with "nothing ever goes wrong with mechanical shifting, ever".
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Originally Posted by calyth
Let's go back to the Dreisine </tongue in cheek>
The newfangled, high tech, round wheels have to go, back when I was alive we rode our wheeled horses with square wheels and we liked it, also there are times I find the whole notion of "road" cycling to be a bit of pampered snobbery, these new-fangled "roads" smack of softness and sophistry. Why, a scarce two or three thousand years ago they were unheard of... I think I will join with the OP and found a new school of cycling. The Paleo-Cycling school, where it's only cool to ride a single, square, rock wheel with a solid wooden axle. Granite, or igneous rock only, the sedimentary rocks being derivative after all.
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Originally Posted by DoninIN
The newfangled, high tech, round wheels have to go, back when I was alive we rode our wheeled horses with square wheels and we liked it, also there are times I find the whole notion of "road" cycling to be a bit of pampered snobbery, these new-fangled "roads" smack of softness and sophistry. Why, a scarce two or three thousand years ago they were unheard of... I think I will join with the OP and found a new school of cycling. The Paleo-Cycling school, where it's only cool to ride a single, square, rock wheel with a solid wooden axle. Granite, or igneous rock only, the sedimentary rocks being derivative after all.
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Originally Posted by calyth
Let's go back to the Dreisine </tongue in cheek>
Shouldn't this be: </tongue in groove> ?
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Originally Posted by calyth
Let's go back to the Dreisine </tongue in cheek>
Where's Pcad's bench?
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So don't get one. Next.
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Originally Posted by Bah Humbug
I have the feeling those *****ing about electronic shifters would be *****ing about brifters a generation ago, indexed shifting two generations ago, and derailleurs three generations ago.

I may have my exact timeline wrong, but you get the idea.
Or this: https://xkcd.com/1227/
The funny thing is I actually do get the desire to get away from electronics - I'm a software tester / dev by trade, and I do things deliberately to avoid computers at times.
I played around with a Di2 shifter on display, and the nice thing is just there's no more giant arc to activate, there's no chance of mistakenly brake vs shift (happened on my old Ultegra 9sp).

Problems would be battery, and it's not easy to get the right button feel.

In any case, stuff like that is way out of my pay grade. And if I want to go on bike tours, I'd go for mechanical setup any day.
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