When I go to eleven speed, it will more likely be because I I bought a bike with Dura Ace 9000 or Di2, either because I got a good deal on a complete bike, or because I want the ergonomics of the newer shifters. I used to worry about compatibility, but I'm not worried about that anymore. Save for one frame and wheel set, most of what I have right now is a placeholder.
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Gear inflation is a hidden problem that should be highlighted.
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11? My Pinarello only has 7. and downtube shifters, because brifters weigh too much.
If I were building a new bike, or needed to replace my drivetrain, I go to 11 speed. I personally would not upgrade to 11 speed just for the additional gear.
why would anyone want to upgrade shifters and derailleurs just for that extra gear?
still on 1, 7 and 9 myself
I went 11 speed DuraAce Di2 a few weeks ago on an existing bike, but I did it for Di2 rather than 11 speeds. I can't say I've even noticed the extra gear (my 10speed DA cassette was 11-28, and my 11 speed DA cassette is also 11-28), but the Di2 sure is noticable (and, totally unnecessary and awesome at the same time).
As for wheel compatibility, all my other bikes are still 10 speed but my goto wheelset has a powertap. Powertap wheels have a freehub that pops off in a few seconds so I have a 10 speed freehub/cassette and an 11 speed freehub/cassette. When I swap my wheel to another bike I just grab the assembly I need and it goes right on, no tools needed and like I said, it only adds maybe 15 seconds to the swap time.
I have been riding 11 since 2009. Campy...
Personally I cannot see why 20 gears aren't enough already. The extra gear 'mainly' being within an existing ratio just seems a little wilful - IMHO. I'd prefer a reinvention of the front mech design and action as I hate having to trim it, and if using Di, I'd like it to talk to an ANT+ computer and display the gear ration in selection. and integrated battery and sensors to pick up everything including cadence, and heart rate from the bars. All cabling should be invisible and battery charging should be via a jack-plug in the headset or bar end caps.
Last edited by cerealkilla; 07-08-13 at 03:28 AM.
I was out doing a training ride on my 29er with 1 x 9 gearing when I was passed by a guy on a single speed averaging 21 mph. So I accelerated and rode behind him for a while as a curiosity to see how fast he was and then offered to pull which he appreciated. Riding 21-22mph on knobby tires and flat bar is a pretty good work out. Basically we were riding in about the same gear at the same speed...he had a flat bar as well only riding slightly narrower tires. The guy was fast...likely faster than me. I found out after a brief stop that he was a single speed racer. He rode like it. I love my 1 X 9 bike...but this gear proliferation thing is just that. That guy will drop an average roadie with 20 speeds or more. My road bike is 10 speed in back. I have no desire for 11s. Yes I could spread out my gearing more in back for a better climbing gear. I am about to change to a custom combined 29-12 cassette...waiting for a Campy mid cage derailleur from Ribble. I don't need tighter spacing in back. OP...one trend to consider is the transistion from 9-10 speed. There are many still riding 9 speed including me on my 29er mtb. When running a 11-32 rear cassette, one can feel the lack of cog spacing tightness...but again even that doesn't matter.
The issue for me is largely driven by economics. In the case of Campy, 10s is still a lot cheaper than 11s...pretty much everything...cassettes, chains, rear derailleur etc. Shifters are about a wash and most cranks will run 10 and 11s fine. The economic issue can be expanded to the transition from 9-10s. Most are fine with 9s which is becoming more rare and economics for 10s have improved since it has become the benchmark for road bikes and making its way in the mtb area as std. as well. 11s will do the same thing over time...but not there yet and therefore you will pay the premium. So for me the decision is largely cost/benefit...don't really see the benefit. Some don't in fact that still ride 9 speed and others just 1 speed is fine.
Last edited by Campag4life; 07-07-13 at 06:55 AM.
just got my CAAD9 set up with Sram Red and the medium cage WiFlii Rear D for a 11-32 cassette for climbing. I think I'll stay with the 10 speed for now, and the 11 doesn't really offer more range, and it's heavier. Has to be, it has an extra cog.
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2005 Raleigh M40
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I actually rarely see a purpose for 10. I'm use to 9 and find myself shifting two cogs in some instances. I'm sure it's just so many years of riding 9spd bit I don't mid a bit of a jump I a couple gears.
Still, I'm sire my next bike will be 11 speed, just not sure if it will be mechanical or electrical :-)
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I recently went with Campy 11. I don't find it any more difficult to set up that Campy 9 or 10. I found that at current prices Chorus 11 was lighter and cheaper than any Record 10 or Chorus 10 I could find. I like the ability to have a wider range of gears without big jumps.
Whether it's Campy or Shimano, they do get better each year. I've got 9sp, older 10sp, 2013 10sp, and 2013 11sp Campy stuff and the newer it is, the better it works (we're talking brand-new parts, not comparing worn drivetrains to new ones). Aesthetics aside, I have to admit going with the newest option is the best when it comes to performance.
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It will be a while before I change over. I have to wait for my stuff to wear out.
Wilier Izoard XP (Campagnolo Record)
Cinelli Xperience (SRAM Force)
Specialized Allez (SRAM Rival)
Bianchi Via Nirone 7 (Campagnolo Centaur)
I'll change with a new bike, so not before 4-5 years or so...
Not any time soon. I'm all 10-sp at the moment. When I'm ready to get a new bike or upgrade, I'll see what's going on at that time. By then, they may have 16 speeds
Maybe when my current stuff wears out. Group sets are expensive, and there are better uses for the money.
Don't believe everything you think.
Is this not the 41? I've read every post, and haven't seen anyone allude to the weight of the extra cog slowing them down. What's wrong with you all...off your drugs?