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    Quote Originally Posted by JakiChan View Post
    No supposedly about it. It's confirmed, which was the point I failed to make. I don't need 11 speeds, I want 11-32 with electronic shifting. Shimano has answered the call. (Although if they came out with an XTR electronic group that went bigger and was compatible I might go that route).
    Woowww xtr electric ?

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    When I go to eleven speed, it will more likely be because I I bought a bike with Dura Ace 9000 or Di2, either because I got a good deal on a complete bike, or because I want the ergonomics of the newer shifters. I used to worry about compatibility, but I'm not worried about that anymore. Save for one frame and wheel set, most of what I have right now is a placeholder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gilaasepeda View Post
    Woowww xtr electric ?
    That hasn't been announced. I'm just saying that an XTR electric group would need to be able to handle an 11-36. And if it was compatible with their road electronic groups the it would be like what I have now – a 9 speed XTR RD doing 10 speed shifting on my Ultegra bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by surgeonstone View Post
    Not saying I don't dream of it. A guy I ride with is a pretty top notch mechanic and says he hates the Campy 11 speed, much more difficult to adjust and not as durable. Out here in Indiana a 10 speed is about 10 speeds too many and the compact is pretty useless. 99.99 % of my riding is in the 50 tooth chainring. The compact was bought for where I might go and cycle, not for where I was. If I were doing it again I'd get the 42/52.
    Your friend can't be much of a mechanic.

    Camapgnolo has been 11 for a few years now. Shimano has two groups and SRAM does as well. 11spd is already the new high end standard.
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    11? My Pinarello only has 7. and downtube shifters, because brifters weigh too much.

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    If I were building a new bike, or needed to replace my drivetrain, I go to 11 speed. I personally would not upgrade to 11 speed just for the additional gear.

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    why would anyone want to upgrade shifters and derailleurs just for that extra gear?
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    still on 1, 7 and 9 myself

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    I went 11 speed DuraAce Di2 a few weeks ago on an existing bike, but I did it for Di2 rather than 11 speeds. I can't say I've even noticed the extra gear (my 10speed DA cassette was 11-28, and my 11 speed DA cassette is also 11-28), but the Di2 sure is noticable (and, totally unnecessary and awesome at the same time).

    As for wheel compatibility, all my other bikes are still 10 speed but my goto wheelset has a powertap. Powertap wheels have a freehub that pops off in a few seconds so I have a 10 speed freehub/cassette and an 11 speed freehub/cassette. When I swap my wheel to another bike I just grab the assembly I need and it goes right on, no tools needed and like I said, it only adds maybe 15 seconds to the swap time.

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    I have been riding 11 since 2009. Campy...

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    Personally I cannot see why 20 gears aren't enough already. The extra gear 'mainly' being within an existing ratio just seems a little wilful - IMHO. I'd prefer a reinvention of the front mech design and action as I hate having to trim it, and if using Di, I'd like it to talk to an ANT+ computer and display the gear ration in selection. and integrated battery and sensors to pick up everything including cadence, and heart rate from the bars. All cabling should be invisible and battery charging should be via a jack-plug in the headset or bar end caps.
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    I was out doing a training ride on my 29er with 1 x 9 gearing when I was passed by a guy on a single speed averaging 21 mph. So I accelerated and rode behind him for a while as a curiosity to see how fast he was and then offered to pull which he appreciated. Riding 21-22mph on knobby tires and flat bar is a pretty good work out. Basically we were riding in about the same gear at the same speed...he had a flat bar as well only riding slightly narrower tires. The guy was fast...likely faster than me. I found out after a brief stop that he was a single speed racer. He rode like it. I love my 1 X 9 bike...but this gear proliferation thing is just that. That guy will drop an average roadie with 20 speeds or more. My road bike is 10 speed in back. I have no desire for 11s. Yes I could spread out my gearing more in back for a better climbing gear. I am about to change to a custom combined 29-12 cassette...waiting for a Campy mid cage derailleur from Ribble. I don't need tighter spacing in back. OP...one trend to consider is the transistion from 9-10 speed. There are many still riding 9 speed including me on my 29er mtb. When running a 11-32 rear cassette, one can feel the lack of cog spacing tightness...but again even that doesn't matter.

    The issue for me is largely driven by economics. In the case of Campy, 10s is still a lot cheaper than 11s...pretty much everything...cassettes, chains, rear derailleur etc. Shifters are about a wash and most cranks will run 10 and 11s fine. The economic issue can be expanded to the transition from 9-10s. Most are fine with 9s which is becoming more rare and economics for 10s have improved since it has become the benchmark for road bikes and making its way in the mtb area as std. as well. 11s will do the same thing over time...but not there yet and therefore you will pay the premium. So for me the decision is largely cost/benefit...don't really see the benefit. Some don't in fact that still ride 9 speed and others just 1 speed is fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmX View Post
    Powertap wheels have a freehub that pops off in a few seconds so I have a 10 speed freehub/cassette and an 11 speed freehub/cassette. When I swap my wheel to another bike I just grab the assembly I need and it goes right on, no tools needed and like I said, it only adds maybe 15 seconds to the swap time.
    Wait, so the freehub and the cassette stay together and you just remove the whole thing and swap out? Do you just pull on the cassette?

    That makes a DI2 upgrade for my road bike really appealing.
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    just got my CAAD9 set up with Sram Red and the medium cage WiFlii Rear D for a 11-32 cassette for climbing. I think I'll stay with the 10 speed for now, and the 11 doesn't really offer more range, and it's heavier. Has to be, it has an extra cog.
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    Quote Originally Posted by surgeonstone View Post
    10 speed campy record compact 11-23 rear and 34 50 front. No intention of switching, what I have exceeds my needs.
    Ah, 12-23 here, 11gears for me would make it 11-23, acceptable, I like to use every gear and 16-19 get more use, prefer hilly rides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valygrl View Post
    Wait, so the freehub and the cassette stay together and you just remove the whole thing and swap out? Do you just pull on the cassette?

    That makes a DI2 upgrade for my road bike really appealing.
    Yup, the cassette stays mounted to the freehub. You just give the cassette a tug and the whole thing slides off the axle (try it next time you have your wheel off) and slide on the new one.

    The 11 speed powertap freehub was $89 from wheelbuilder.com

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    I actually rarely see a purpose for 10. I'm use to 9 and find myself shifting two cogs in some instances. I'm sure it's just so many years of riding 9spd bit I don't mid a bit of a jump I a couple gears.

    Still, I'm sire my next bike will be 11 speed, just not sure if it will be mechanical or electrical :-)
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    I recently went with Campy 11. I don't find it any more difficult to set up that Campy 9 or 10. I found that at current prices Chorus 11 was lighter and cheaper than any Record 10 or Chorus 10 I could find. I like the ability to have a wider range of gears without big jumps.

    Whether it's Campy or Shimano, they do get better each year. I've got 9sp, older 10sp, 2013 10sp, and 2013 11sp Campy stuff and the newer it is, the better it works (we're talking brand-new parts, not comparing worn drivetrains to new ones). Aesthetics aside, I have to admit going with the newest option is the best when it comes to performance.
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    It will be a while before I change over. I have to wait for my stuff to wear out.
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    I'll change with a new bike, so not before 4-5 years or so...

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    Not any time soon. I'm all 10-sp at the moment. When I'm ready to get a new bike or upgrade, I'll see what's going on at that time. By then, they may have 16 speeds

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    Maybe when my current stuff wears out. Group sets are expensive, and there are better uses for the money.
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    Is this not the 41? I've read every post, and haven't seen anyone allude to the weight of the extra cog slowing them down. What's wrong with you all...off your drugs?

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