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Old 07-06-13, 10:08 AM   #26
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But back to the OP.

I'm not a mavic fan, but they do have a rep for being stiff and strong at the expense of weight and aerodynamics (for the price). If that is what you want and you are getting a good discount then I don't see why you shouldn't go back to what makes you happy.

People with Fulcrums also seem happy for the same reasons so you may want look at them for another pre-built option.
I'd take Fulcrums over Mavics, FWIW. Both are available across a staggering array of price ranges and weights, and up to a moderate degree of aero if you're willing to get spendy.

I would really love to understand the "responsiveness" of the machine-built wheels that's apparently lacking from handbuilts. They all work on the same principles, so I'd figure it'd have to be some combination of lacing, tension, and weight...

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Old 07-06-13, 10:14 AM   #27
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The OP mentioned using hanbuilts with DT hubs and Stan's rims. Those hubs have narrow flange spacing and the rims are relatively flimsy. Either can build into a wheel with "responsiveness" issues.
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Old 07-06-13, 10:22 AM   #28
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I will not talk you out of them...

I will endorse Mavic wheels. Specially Ksyirums. Have older Ksyriums on a C'dale that I call my gopher killers. Had a juvenile gopher try to run THROUGH the back wheel at speed, gopher unfortunately nearly lost his head. Wheel never skipped a beat.

Love Ksyriums SLs on my Look 566.
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Old 07-06-13, 10:40 AM   #29
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I own the same wheels you are considering. Owned them for 5 years, they have many 1000s of miles on them, never serviced the bearings or have they needed to be trued. No, they might not be as aerodynamic as wide deep wheels but as many have said, they are durable and from my perspective, good value in longevity. And as far as not being as aero - how many watts or seconds are you really talking about? I would not use them for time trial purposes but they do most everything else you would want a wheel to do. That said, the link that was posted for a set of Campy Zona wheels for $500 something at 1500 grams for the set... well that is pretty good.
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Can you find a shop where you can test ride a variety of wheels?
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I had a ksyrium elite wheel and the spoke snapped off when I was just changing a flat tube. The threading was gone, and since their wheels are proprietary, my only option I had was to send it to Mavic for them to repair at a cost of $280, which is more than it was worth. So I had to buy a new wheel, just because of that one stupid spoke. If it were any other brand, I could have just replaced the rim.
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The above is the main reason I am not a Mavic fan. Or shimano, etc....
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don't listen to them.. buy the krysiums elites. I have a pair of the 2010 models. They are still my go to wheels.
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Old 07-06-13, 11:03 AM   #34
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But back to the OP.

I'm not a mavic fan, but they do have a rep for being stiff and strong at the expense of weight and aerodynamics (for the price). If that is what you want and you are getting a good discount then I don't see why you shouldn't go back to what makes you happy.

People with Fulcrums also seem happy for the same reasons so you may want look at them for another pre-built option.
I'm riding fulcrums on one of my bikes, love them, cheap and very strong.
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Old 07-06-13, 11:08 AM   #35
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I'm riding fulcrums on one of my bikes, love them, cheap and very strong.
Fulcrums are also awesome wheels. choose wisely.
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Old 07-06-13, 11:58 AM   #36
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Can you find a shop where you can test ride a variety of wheels?
Hi, OP here. I don't think most shops would be down with me test riding their wheels for a pro/1/2 crit. And on a normal training ride I honestly can't tell the difference. I feel like the more stuff I ride the harder it is for me to tell the difference bikes included, anyone else get this feeling?

I have seen a lot of mavic lovers here but I am looking for more haters! Fulcrum and campy (same thing) have been mentioned, I've heard good things about these as well just don't get the discounts I'm looking for. Campy EP is pretty lame. I have ridden a couple sets of cheap fulcrums into the ground and have been pleasantly surprised by them. Overseas seems to offer some good pricing and none of those stupid employee purchase restrictions.

So right now the only serious gripe with mavic I've heard are the proprietary designs spokes mostly. Would this be an issue with a set of slsszszss or is this just for the slr and R-sys boys out there?
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Old 07-06-13, 01:58 PM   #37
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They are good all around wheels, I own the SL's. Bombproof, good looking wheels, light,stiff,durable.
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What I really want in a crit wheel is something that just jumps out of the corners and won't cost an arm and a leg to replace.
ya could just go with some Firecrest 303 tubulars. if you're getting the shop guy discount, they won't be that unreasonable. Light as hell, and jump like a scalded cat out of corners!!
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ya could just go with some Firecrest 303 tubulars. if you're getting the shop guy discount, they won't be that unreasonable. Light as hell, and jump like a scalded cat out of corners!!
Not that I think they are anywhere near the equal of the zipps, but my crit wheels are a cheap home built attempt to copy them. In my initial post I considered describing them to the OP, but skipped it seeing as he seemed more interested in pre-builds and may be getting a great deal.

I used a yishun carbon tubular 50 x 23mm rim laced 20/24 to novatec hubs. Spokes are cx-rays front and nds with Race on the ds, brass nips all around. I'm not a ww, but these are still light at 1350g. Total cost= $470 (plus building if you don't do it yourself). Many of my races are on crappy roads and I really like the feel and grip I get through bumpy crit corners on these. And they feel stiff and solid accelerating out again.

They've already survived their first crash unscathed while something donked the front hard enough to bend the stem extender where it threads in giving me a flat.
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Ksyriums are heavy, non-aero, and if you break a spoke, you have problems. They also use narrow rims because Mavic is so stubborn, they don't think anyone other than them know wheels. The only thing they have going is sturdiness.

I owned two pairs (sold one with a bike) and my wife has them on two bikes. So I know them well. I know the OP isn't wild about having wheels built, but that is a good idea.
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I simply cannot talk you out of it.
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What about a set of Boyd Vitesse wheels? I've heard good things about them, but of course, I've got no actual experience.

http://www.boydcycling.com/products/...-clincher.html
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Old 07-06-13, 11:33 PM   #43
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What about a set of Boyd Vitesse wheels? I've heard good things about them, but of course, I've got no actual experience.

http://www.boydcycling.com/products/...-clincher.html
I hear good things about Boyd as well.
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I agree that a set of handbuilts with the right components would serve the OP best.

But I also think if he got the Mavics and never looked down he might not ever notice the difference. Many of us wouldn't. The possibility of sourcing a proprietary spoke may not be as much of an issue for him if he is a shop guy. And we don't know what kind do discount he is getting. A 35% off set of Mavics might be a better value than some of the other suggestions.
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I was in your position a while back. I'd suggest you look at Fulcrum. The 3s are the best value, but the 1s are excellent.

Apart from that, you could look at tubs. I race on dura-ace c35s; awesome wheels.
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What about a set of Boyd Vitesse wheels? I've heard good things about them, but of course, I've got no actual experience.

http://www.boydcycling.com/products/...-clincher.html
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I have several sets of Mavic Open Pro wheels that I consider solid wheelsets, but I too have heard and seen too many issues with Ksyriums to ever put them on a buy list for myself or anything asking for input. My Fulcrum 5 Evolutions have been rock solid on first my old Flyte and now my Fuji Team Issue - but these days I'd be considering a custom build with either the HED C2 or Velocity A23 rim personally. I know several of the small builders such as Boyd and Rol and Soul also have wide rim options.
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I built a set of wheels on H+ Son Archetypes and not only am I sold on wide rims, I think the Archetype may be the best made rim I've ever built. If you really want prebuilts, check out HED's options in a wide rim.
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ROL Race SL (or other in their line).

seriously...look at them, their specs, their reviews from actual owners and best of all...their price. I was dead set on Mavic and stumbled on ROL...a week later I was riding on a set and so far, they are awesome.
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What about tubeless like Am Classic Argents?
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