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These are the same price, and much lighter, and I've heard good things about Williams, no experience with them so I couldn't tell you how responsive they are..
Yeah I called them durable as well. Which mine are. But all someone has to do is read all the problems and durability is not uniform. Mavic started having problems years ago with cracked rims on the old open pro and di nothing about it. So the quality and durability is sort of hit or miss
You're just trying to start an argument to show how smart you are.
When weight-weenieism is introduced to the conversation, all reason goes out the window. Everyone has a preference - mine is durability, not weight. I don't care if they are my Forte Titans (1,800g+) or my hand built set (2,400g+). I still get dropped like a greased bowling ball either way. Spending more money for a lighter wheel reduces the stability every 50g or so at 190 lbs for me. Can even feel the flex. I have heard however that Mavic is very proprietary with their stuff, and that alone takes them out of contention.
EDIT: They sure are purty though.
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I've had a pair of Equipes for 9 years, not a problem.
I wouldn't call any wheel bullet-proof, however. They're all vulnerable, some *cough*carbon*cough* more than others.
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i'm in both camps.
really love the feel of my ksyrium elites, and they have at least 3 years and 20K miles on em and never even needed a true
until the rim cracked last week.
There are better wheels out that than the ones you are considering and probably for less money as-well. Is that enough ?
Well actually if a non racer got a pair of Ksyriums toasted after like a month or couldnt get 2 years about of them, then off course is relevant The web is full of those weird reviews with Ksyriums, in a matter of fact the second guy posting was complaining and I believe other people did the same (dont tell me, ask them too you now).
Personally I been away of mavic low end wheels since forever, some stuff is really good but when you have a non reliable wheel reportedly to snap spokes, need of bearings and the worse thing is that you can't even fix them yourself because the darn spokes are proprietary. Oh by the way... have you ever wonder why almost all the stock bikes come with those wheels?? a hint, is not because you can get them super expensive if you get them in bulk, they look cool in a new bike too i give them that.
The mayority of respectable and self sponsored racers wont pick Ksyriums, they will go with the top of the line tubular or they will go custom, for the record a lot of builders in this forum and from what I can tell from the reviews their response timing is faster than the big M, with mavic you have to go to the dealer then deal with the problem that way... with a custom set you grab the phone and call the guy... even probably the rider can fix the wheel himself and wont be a problem with warranties if the builder is cool with that situation. With the big M probably 2 or 3 weeks and if mavic doesnt like what they see probalby you will have to pay the repair from your own pocket, thats why mavic have that super protection plan that makes a lot of sense if you get a 3000 bucks wheels.
For the record I like mavic products and like every brand they have crap and good products, love campy and campy have some stuff that not for free I would take you know, shimano the same. Have a set of wheels built with the old threaded hub for 7 speed freehwheels and mavic gp4 rims, those wheels have maybe 25 to 30 years old, never snapped a single spoke. Even the guy who built those for me died last year, and for the record I used those to race so had been well abused and are still true and hubs roll perfect. Is only that there are other wheels cheaper and better than the Ksyriums, thats all. If you dont like it because you sell the stuff... well sorry a lot dude
The only advice I give you is just use the search function at google or in the forums, a lot of negative stuff and from people that are not even racers that is the people that matters, if a racer destroy a wheel is not relevant, they will destroy anything at some point or another...
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I have 2 sets of Elites & 2 sets of SLs. So...I guess you could infer that I like them. In my current 1st year (or so) of racing, I like the SLs (well, I like both, but I run SLs on the bike I race). For me, I've picked all of them up (at least slightly) used and thus they've been rather inexpensive...and, so I get a lot of the characteristics of a high end wheel (light/stiff/etc.) at not a huge cost.
I've had to replace some spokes on one rear SL wheel and I have often cursed Mavic for using spokes and nipples that basically can gall & seize...so, in the process of replacing a single spoke, I ended up replacing 3 or 4 due to stuck nipples & twisted spokes (and, yes, that was after probably a week of soaking to free them up...which definitely helped for most of the spokes). I suppose the weight penalty on the Elites is traded off by spokes that won't easily seize with nipples. In my case, I didn't find it particularly difficult to source parts or do the repair. I'd expect with a wheel that old I'd be out a lot of money, a lot of time, or shopping for a new wheel if I didn't do my own work.
I guess the upshot is despite all of the Ksyrium detractors there will always be a contingent of folks who do like them so unless you crash them you can always recoup some part of the investment.