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    Quote Originally Posted by WhyFi View Post
    Not if you know how to properly use "how much," vs "how many."
    For a bike forum you seem to care much about my changing the intent of my sentence half way through without thinking.

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    The *new* Sora 3500 is 9 speed ... is the Claris still 8 ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frum View Post
    For a bike forum you seem to care much about my changing the intent of my sentence half way through without thinking.
    Ohhhh, so now it was changing intent halfway through when it was previously it was just an errant "a." Okay.
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    I would wager that not riding in Minnesota is just as fatiguing as not riding in New York.

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    Quote Originally Posted by martinus View Post
    is the Claris still 8 ?
    Yes

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    Sora is no good for racing because you can't reach the thumb button from the drops. That is pretty much the only reason. Everything else about it is fine for normal road riding for a 9 speed group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roadmike View Post
    sora is no good for racing because you can't reach the thumb button from the drops. That is pretty much the only reason. Everything else about it is fine for normal road riding for a 9 speed group.
    lol ... good thing, this thread is NOT about ^^^those ( 3400 ) levers then ...
    Last edited by martinus; 07-07-13 at 05:21 PM.

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    So the new Claris 8 speed has paddle shifters, the SORA 9 speed goes back to the thumb shifter lever and the new Tiagra is a 10 speed paddle shifter, but with one cable housing exposed. I wonder how long SORA will retain the thumb shifter?
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    Quote Originally Posted by roccobike View Post
    So the new Claris 8 speed has paddle shifters, the SORA 9 speed goes back to the thumb shifter lever and the new Tiagra is a 10 speed paddle shifter, but with one cable housing exposed. I wonder how long SORA will retain the thumb shifter?
    Might want to look at those pics again ...

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    Claris/2400 8 speed
    Sora/3500 9 speed
    Tiagra/4600 10 speed

    None have thumb shifters, and all have "paddle" levers with external shift cable/housing ...

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    Nope 3500 has the same style of actuation as the rest of shimano's STI shifters I was mistakenly thinking of the 3400 sora shifters hitch had the the thumb buttons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by martinus View Post
    Might want to look at those pics again ...
    I stand corrected! So the new SORA has the paddle shifter too. Good!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frum View Post
    I am the OP. I meant "stigmata", which is the plural of "stigma". In the same way that "data" is a plural.
    I made a typo and inserted the word "a" in my post by accident.
    At least you weren't thinking of smegma...
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    Quote Originally Posted by datlas View Post
    At least you weren't thinking of smegma...
    er mah gawds..must unsee!_!
    Noooooo! My thread!! -_________- http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php/896498-Do-you-pack-quot-heat-quot-while-cycling

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhyFi View Post
    Ohhhh, so now it was changing intent halfway through when it was previously it was just an errant "a." Okay.
    Did you miss the "without thinking" part or is your need for satisfaction too great?

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    Quote Originally Posted by martinus View Post
    Claris/2400 8 speed
    Sora/3500 9 speed
    Tiagra/4600 10 speed

    None have thumb shifters, and all have "paddle" levers with external shift cable/housing ...
    Oddly enough, it's much cheaper for me to upgrade to a 3x9 Sora than to upgrade to a 2x8 Claris (haven't seen a 3x8 yet.) New shifters, cassette, and chain, about 200$, whereas the 2x8 I'd need to spent 160$ on the shifters and another 100$ on the same quality of crank.

    I like my triple for my rides up into the mountains.

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    WWFS - what would Fred say?
    "I tried being reasonable, I didn‘t like it."

    "I understand. I just don't care"

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoadMike View Post
    Sora is no good for racing because you can't reach the thumb button from the drops. That is pretty much the only reason. Everything else about it is fine for normal road riding for a 9 speed group.

    Look closer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NathanC View Post
    Look closer.
    No YOU look closer...at the rest of the posts in the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frum View Post
    Did you miss the "without thinking" part or is your need for satisfaction too great?
    The lesson here: if you make a simple, stupid mistake, like choosing the wrong word (which you did), and someone takes a harmless poke at it, own your mistake with grace - it's no big deal. The last thing that you should do, though, is try to make yourself look smart at the expense of those having that harmless fun, because you'll probably end up looking more stupid (which you did).
    Quote Originally Posted by RollCNY View Post
    I would wager that not riding in Minnesota is just as fatiguing as not riding in New York.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frum View Post
    Oddly enough, it's much cheaper for me to upgrade to a 3x9 Sora than to upgrade to a 2x8 Claris (haven't seen a 3x8 yet.) New shifters, cassette, and chain, about 200$, whereas the 2x8 I'd need to spent 160$ on the shifters and another 100$ on the same quality of crank.

    I like my triple for my rides up into the mountains.
    Just go Microshift and forget Shimano [levers]. Seriously, you won't regret it. Less expensive and more functional. I use the double on my 9 speed. Crisper, better ergo.

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    I checked out the new Sora last time I was at the shop.

    Shifting felt clunky compared to my 105. Front shifting was especially poor.

    But, it was functional.
    Good night...and good luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by Banzai View Post
    I checked out the new Sora last time I was at the shop.

    Shifting felt clunky compared to my 105. Front shifting was especially poor.

    But, it was functional.
    Next time you should try one that has been setup properly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Banzai View Post
    I checked out the new Sora last time I was at the shop.

    Shifting felt clunky compared to my 105. Front shifting was especially poor.

    But, it was functional.
    I have a 5700 setup and a 9 speed Microshift setup. The Claris and Sora are a little soft and share the same deficiency (in my ergonomic world) as 5700 - too much throw and too many moving parts. All things being equal, Microshift takes the least amount of effort to shift in either direction, and the downshift actuation is much smoother than even the 5700. This isn't about cabling (my stuff is tight), it is about the mechanics. Also, to be clear, the new Microshift compared to the old is night and day - so much tighter. The three year old Forte/Microshift is loosey goosey.

    YMMV

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    Quote Originally Posted by RT View Post
    I have a 5700 setup and a 9 speed Microshift setup. The Claris and Sora are a little soft and share the same deficiency (in my ergonomic world) as 5700 - too much throw and too many moving parts. All things being equal, Microshift takes the least amount of effort to shift in either direction, and the downshift actuation is much smoother than even the 5700. This isn't about cabling (my stuff is tight), it is about the mechanics. Also, to be clear, the new Microshift compared to the old is night and day - so much tighter. The three year old Forte/Microshift is loosey goosey.

    YMMV
    I've never seen/used Microshift stuff, but I've been curious. Especially as prices continue to climb, and forced obsolescence accelerates.
    Good night...and good luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by Banzai View Post
    I've never seen/used Microshift stuff, but I've been curious. Especially as prices continue to climb, and forced obsolescence accelerates.
    The 9 speed stuff is solid. Here it is mounted on my favorite bike.


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