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    Quote Originally Posted by Frum View Post
    Did you miss the "without thinking" part or is your need for satisfaction too great?
    This is the 41...the need for satisfaction is always great.
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    As to the racing question... not so much the shifter, but 10 speed is what you need. I.E. bumming a wheel in the pit at a crit, or grabbing a wheel from the neutral support vehicle (most likely find 10 speed shimano, and then 11 speed for electronic kits. 9 speed shimano will be the rarest in a race situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Banzai View Post
    I checked out the new Sora last time I was at the shop.

    Shifting felt clunky compared to my 105. Front shifting was especially poor.

    But, it was functional.
    When I switched from the new Tiagra to whatever the current 105 is, the biggest difference I noticed was front shifting. The back felt the same as before. But one thing I have noticed is for some reason, 105 is a PITA to tune. I don't have a repair stand, but could easily adjust my rear derailleur on my Tiagra without any troubles. Now with the 105, whenever I tough the barrel adjuster while cleaning, it goes out of whack and shifts horribly. And for some reason is impossible (at least for me) to repair without a repair stand. I've had to take it in twice just to get it tuned after only a month. Whenever I clean my bike now, I avoid even looking at it.

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    My bike is equipped with the 2013 Sora groupset. I think it works great. The front derailleur's trim adjustment is functional and the 3 gear downshift is spot on. I wish I could get rid of the indicators on the hoods and the external cables.

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    I guess I'll leave this review of them that I did a couple of months ago:

    http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...iew?highlight=

    I'm pretty damn happy with them. Shift action and accuracy/tuning has been flawless for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lew. View Post

    For guys racing on a budget (like myself), I'd say Sora is perfect - although I haven't used a higher mechanical groupset (only Di2 Ultegra and DA on buddies bikes).
    And, an added bonus, I get this silly grin on my face when I out-sprint/climb someone with a Dura-Ace shifters that cost the same amount of my whole bike.
    That's because you are a stronger rider than those guys. Just as there are guys who ride the latest DA stuff on 14lb bikes who could ride circles around you. Like you said, it's the rider. Why some people feel the need to compare this groupset to that, who cares? There are slow guys on DA and fast guys on Sora, but then there are slow guys on Sora and fast guys on DA. So what's the point of comparing, or getting some kind of satisfaction out of out-riding someone on whatever bike or components they have?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cthenn View Post
    That's because you are a stronger rider than those guys. Just as there are guys who ride the latest DA stuff on 14lb bikes who could ride circles around you. Like you said, it's the rider.
    Translation: It's not about the bike, and it is a correct statement.

    Quote Originally Posted by cthenn View Post
    Why some people feel the need to compare this groupset to that, who cares? There are slow guys on DA and fast guys on Sora, but then there are slow guys on Sora and fast guys on DA. So what's the point of comparing, or getting some kind of satisfaction out of out-riding someone on whatever bike or components they have?
    Because it is human nature, and even moreso, the nature of The 41. I gain tremendous satisfaction by passing Cervelos on the mountain, but just the other day some dude in commuter knickers (I have a some of these too) on a 29er with knobbies blew by me and I could not catch him. Humbled me the other direction. Gotta take the good with the bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cthenn View Post
    That's because you are a stronger rider than those guys. Just as there are guys who ride the latest DA stuff on 14lb bikes who could ride circles around you. Like you said, it's the rider. Why some people feel the need to compare this groupset to that, who cares? There are slow guys on DA and fast guys on Sora, but then there are slow guys on Sora and fast guys on DA. So what's the point of comparing, or getting some kind of satisfaction out of out-riding someone on whatever bike or components they have?
    I have both entry-level and top-end DA bikes, and I will fully admit that it's strangely satisfying to blowing the pants off of a rider on the hammerhead weekly ride who's rocking the full local team kit, electric DI2, deep carbon aero wheels, and quarq powermeter, with my $650 bike with Shimano 2200 group. Juvenile, yes, but definitely satisfying.

    I also got my pants blown off by a 55 year old who led last weeks' ride when I was rocking my Cervelo (he took multiple 5 minute climbs at 350-400 watts just to stay behind him, so he was no slouch) and his bike was an old-gen noncarbon deal with old school parts, so it works both ways.

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    Well, thanks to the advice of some people here, I spent some time dallying on Amazon.

    I'm thinking that if I manage to sell my current componentry for 180-200$, I would do this, and just not have access to my road bike for a week or so.

    After doing that, I'd have spent only around 150 dollars to upgrade.

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    Why does it provide satisfaction to me when I out-ride someone who has spent more than I earn in a year on a bike? Because I'm immature and the guys I'm referring to genuinely think that DA stuff is going to save them minutes in a TT or climb. Although they are the minority within my club.
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    shimano trickle down tech is always good. even the old 8 speed sora shifters were pretty stout. i sold a 12 year old trek with the original sora shifters recently and they still felt pretty crisp after 20 thousand miles or so (20k wet, grimey portland winter miles)
    Last edited by pdxtex; 07-11-13 at 05:05 PM.
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