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Old 07-09-13, 09:20 PM
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I have ridden nearly 10 years on my 2003 Lemond Alpe D Huez. My wife wants to get me a new bike, and I agree that it is time. I want to keep budget between $3000-$4000. I am 6'1" 185lbs. Typical ride is 30-60 miles with a few centuries a year. No racing and I value comfort. I went to a bike shop today that suggested checking out the Pinarello ROKU and the ScottCR1. I know nothing of these two bikes. Any thoughts or others bike suggestion that would fit me? Thanks.

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What do you like and dislike about your current bike?
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A custom frame. You deserve it after 10 years.
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If your serious about the CR1 and are looking for a more relaxed geometry you may want to wait until the new "Solace" comes out. FWIW I love my CR1. There is also the specialized Roubaix and the Trek Domain and the Felt Z series in various flavors.
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What do you like and dislike about your current bike?
Well, the main thing is it just seems that every few weeks I am having to take it in to fix something. It has been a great bike for 8 years without any issues, but it seems things are all getting old all at once. Frame also has some rust due to me being rough on it. Mainly, I am tired of being without my bike. I think the bike has been worked on 3-4 days in the last month. It will be nice to have a backup/bad weather bike.
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A custom frame. You deserve it after 10 years.
The shop also said they could do a custom Waterford. I have no clue what the cost would be there. Independent Fabrication is another custom brand I like, but I don't know enough about how I would go about that yet.
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Originally Posted by recneps345
Well, the main thing is it just seems that every few weeks I am having to take it in to fix something. It has been a great bike for 8 years without any issues, but it seems things are all getting old all at once. Frame also has some rust due to me being rough on it. Mainly, I am tired of being without my bike. I think the bike has been worked on 3-4 days in the last month. It will be nice to have a backup/bad weather bike.
If wear is the biggest complaint, then you'll want something similar in fit and function, only newer and better. That's certainly a fair answer and a good place to start.
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Originally Posted by recneps345
The shop also said they could do a custom Waterford. I have no clue what the cost would be there. Independent Fabrication is another custom brand I like, but I don't know enough about how I would go about that yet.
Get a bike fit then use the #s to determine the custom geometry.

Otherwise they also have a database that'll recommend which bike suits your measurements.

It's a $200 investment that goes a long way especially you'd like to get something you really need.
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Love my Pinarello FPQuattro with Athena. The KOBH is the relaxed model. However, I have done 200+km rides with the FPQuattro without comfort problems. The Pinarello frames tend to be slightly heavier than others at the same level... but the ride with the asymmetric design is very, very smooth.
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at that price you can get a custom bike. As my LBS told me, 'you will eventually do it anyways' ...why spend that much on a production frame when you can get exactly what you want
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cervelo R series.
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At 3-4k price level, you have a lot of choices. Many factors come into play, but you should be able to find a right combination of light weight, comfort, and good looks without much compromise. Here would be a list of bikes I would check out (in order of my preference with the information you provide) before you part your money:

Modern Mainstream Carbon:
Cervelo R3/R5 (you may even check out S5, even though it's a aero race frame, but the geometry is the same as R3, i.e. relaxed geometry with tall headtube)
Specialized Roubaix
Cannondale Synapse (the current is very good and you can probably get a great deal because a new model ones is coming out later this year and looks to be very good)
BMC GF01
Giant Defy

Custom and Non-carbon:
Independent Fabrication Crown Jewel Steel (very comfortable)
Seven Ti (lasts long time)
Lynskey

Off the Beaten Path:
Volagi Liscio 2 (a carbon relaxed bike with disc brakes)

IMHO, neither of the bikes you mentioned (Pinarello and Scott CR1) would be the first ones I consider simply because I don't think they deliver the same value for money as the ones I listed above.

Depending on the frame you like the most, you may have to compromise on components but you should be able to get at least Shimano Ultegra or SRAM Force level. Pay attention to the "stock" wheels the bike comes with. Anything more than 1600 grams per wheelset would be too heavy for this price point.
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^^^I always thought those volagi's looked cool.
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If something standard fits, why spend the extra for custom? Unless the OP has very skewed measurements or wants something very specific/unconventional, standard frames will work. There are so many choices at that price point.
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Know your fit! reach,stack etc. Lot's of great bikes at that price and you really can't go wrong with any of them...unless it doesn't fit
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I think that you could be on an Orbea Orca Silver for that price.
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Originally Posted by recneps345
I have ridden nearly 10 years on my 2003 Lemond Alpe D Huez. My wife wants to get me a new bike, and I agree that it is time. I want to keep budget between $3000-$4000. I am 6'1" 185lbs. Typical ride is 30-60 miles with a few centuries a year. No racing and I value comfort. I went to a bike shop today that suggested checking out the Pinarello ROKU and the ScottCR1. I know nothing of these two bikes. Any thoughts or others bike suggestion that would fit me? Thanks.
Don't take this the wrong way, but since you are clueless about dropping 3-4k on a new bike, I think the #1 thing you should worry about is finding a competent shop, and choose between the models they sell. Finding a good shop to help you answer questions, or be competent working on your bike, and back you up if you ever have issues or problems is paramount over anything else. People who don't want to spend time doing research or know how to do their own work will get a lot more value out of getting a bike from a good shop. Most of the bikes these days are basically similar, the big difference comes in the quality of the shop.
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How much technology do you want on the bike? In that price range, you should definitely consider electronic shifters.

For that kind of money you're looking at a very nice frame + full Ultegra. Alternatively, you can get a slightly cheaper frame and get Ultegra Di2 electronic shifters. There's always SRAM Red or Dura-Ace if you want minimal weight.

It sounds like you're the type of person who wants to buy a bike and then just ride it, so its important that you get the right components starting out.

For what its worth, I love my Bianchi Infinito, and the new Infinito CV is supposed to have even better damping.
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Originally Posted by starjag
Love my Pinarello FPQuattro with Athena. The KOBH is the relaxed model. However, I have done 200+km rides with the FPQuattro without comfort problems. The Pinarello frames tend to be slightly heavier than others at the same level... but the ride with the asymmetric design is very, very smooth.
This makes me wonder if I really want to go the relaxed route as well. I mean I am not old and just going to put around, but I am also not going to be doing crits. I just want it to be a comfortable ride on 60 mile rides. Thanks for the advice.
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Originally Posted by dalava
At 3-4k price level, you have a lot of choices. Many factors come into play, but you should be able to find a right combination of light weight, comfort, and good looks without much compromise. Here would be a list of bikes I would check out (in order of my preference with the information you provide) before you part your money:

Modern Mainstream Carbon:
Cervelo R3/R5 (you may even check out S5, even though it's a aero race frame, but the geometry is the same as R3, i.e. relaxed geometry with tall headtube)
Specialized Roubaix
Cannondale Synapse (the current is very good and you can probably get a great deal because a new model ones is coming out later this year and looks to be very good)
BMC GF01
Giant Defy

Custom and Non-carbon:
Independent Fabrication Crown Jewel Steel (very comfortable)
Seven Ti (lasts long time)
Lynskey

Off the Beaten Path:
Volagi Liscio 2 (a carbon relaxed bike with disc brakes)

IMHO, neither of the bikes you mentioned (Pinarello and Scott CR1) would be the first ones I consider simply because I don't think they deliver the same value for money as the ones I listed above.

Depending on the frame you like the most, you may have to compromise on components but you should be able to get at least Shimano Ultegra or SRAM Force level. Pay attention to the "stock" wheels the bike comes with. Anything more than 1600 grams per wheelset would be too heavy for this price point.
Great post. I am going to look into the Defy, Roubaix, and Synapse as well. So many choices makes it tough.
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Originally Posted by recneps345
So many choices makes it tough.
The advice on picking a shop you feel comfortable with is great.
I'm a new rider and bought a Roubaix Expert last November. I love it.
The best advice I got when shopping was buy whatever makes you want to ride, even if it's based only on a cool color. That really worked well for me, the bikes I was looking at were in the 3 - 5k range, so I felt I couldn't go wrong.
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Originally Posted by cthenn
Don't take this the wrong way, but since you are clueless about dropping 3-4k on a new bike, I think the #1 thing you should worry about is finding a competent shop, and choose between the models they sell. Finding a good shop to help you answer questions, or be competent working on your bike, and back you up if you ever have issues or problems is paramount over anything else. People who don't want to spend time doing research or know how to do their own work will get a lot more value out of getting a bike from a good shop. Most of the bikes these days are basically similar, the big difference comes in the quality of the shop.
Great advice. I agree with the finding the good shop part. I know these guys are good from all of what my friends say. It just limits me to Pinarello, Scott, Waterford, and Jamis. I like the Pinarello, but I have gotten several comments in that it probably won't be quite the value of some other brands, but I don't know. I might even go back to spending more like $2500 the more I look at bikes. I just want a solid and reliable bike. Mainly, I just want a second bike to ride when the other is in the shop. With 3 kids and a business, I despise missing out on a day that I can ride due to the bike being in the shop.
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Originally Posted by recneps345
Great post. I am going to look into the Defy, Roubaix, and Synapse as well. So many choices makes it tough.
Let us know what you decide on after you look around. If you are a bit of wrench, getting an "used" one is also a possibility and will get you a lot of value for the money.
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Originally Posted by recneps345
This makes me wonder if I really want to go the relaxed route as well. I mean I am not old and just going to put around, but I am also not going to be doing crits. I just want it to be a comfortable ride on 60 mile rides. Thanks for the advice.
Your LeMond is certainly not a relaxed geometry bike. If you're comfortable on that, then you should be fine on somewhat similar geometry on a more recent road bike.
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