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Old 07-27-13, 06:41 PM   #1
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Chinese Carbon Bikes

Has anyone ever built one up? How much did it cost total? How's the quality? I'm interested in building one!
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Old 07-27-13, 06:49 PM   #2
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I never have, but here's a little reading for you.

http://www.bikeforums.net/search.php?searchid=7737953
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Old 07-27-13, 06:51 PM   #3
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No, you're the first to discover or ask about them.
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Old 07-27-13, 06:54 PM   #4
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trolls are alive and kicking this week!

weewong? you can do better than that!
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huge threads on frames and wheels @ RoadbikeReview
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Most of the major bike companies have loads of experience building carbon frames from China. You should ask one of them.
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Get a cervelo, they're made in china. So are easton forks and bars and stems too!
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Here is mine. I built it up Thursday and Friday and rode it the first time on Saturday and Sunday so too soon for a ride report. Total for the frame, fork, headset, seatpost (not in pic), extra hangers, PayPal fee, and shipping to the USA was 706. Bare frame weight was 927 grams for a 58cm.

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Old 07-28-13, 04:19 PM   #9
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I'm holding out for a Chinese Magnesium Bike. I understand their Asplosion Coefficient is six times higher than Chinese Carbon.
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here's mine...

frame, fork, seatpost and bottle cages delivered about $760

very-very happy with it.

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Pretty much all carbon frames are made in China now.
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Old 07-28-13, 09:40 PM   #12
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here's mine...

frame, fork, seatpost and bottle cages delivered about $760

very-very happy with it.

Dude!

Living in your parent's garage is very practical in a tough economy.

Although you may want to upgrade the carpet to hard flooring.... preferably wood. If you have a living space in a garage, installing hardwood floors oozes that "classy" flair.
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Dude!

Living in your parent's garage is very practical in a tough economy.

Although you may want to upgrade the carpet to hard flooring.... preferably wood. If you have a living space in a garage, installing hardwood floors oozes that "classy" flair.

parents are dead bro
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"you can carpet the garage over my dead body"


Last words which both successfully identified a burial plot and a timeline for your flooring project. Parents are the best.
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I used to love cars and motorcycles so much it was always a dream to buy a service station and build a house on top of it.
It would be my home away from home, plus no need to take care of a lawn.

People that own KTMs and nice tool chests don't need to live in a garage, but it's nice to have a decent man cave.
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I used to love cars and motorcycles so much it was always a dream to buy a service station and build a house on top of it.
It would be my home away from home, plus no need to take care of a lawn.

People that own KTMs and nice tool chests don't need to live in a garage, but it's nice to have a decent man cave.
Actually, I once had a garage with carpet... but it doesn't take too many projects to realize that you are only putting yourself at an extra fire risk from patrolium products seeping into the fabric.

I'm now with a 3 car garage / man-cave over-looking the lake.... and no cars allowed inside.

I definitely have Weezer playing in my head everytime I go there.

(I also make big enough messes that the only answer is pouring Purple Power on the floor and hosing the place out.)
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Old 07-31-13, 07:45 PM   #19
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I have this. In November 2011 I had a total right hip replacement and my wife let me buy a new bike to fit me better. I bought the frame from Aliexpress, the Ultegra compact double group off ebay, and the wheels from Soul (S3.0's). The frame was $620, grouppo $895, and wheels $420. Probably $200 for other stuff i.e. carbon stem, bars, and seat. $2,300 total. It was all put downstairs to speed up recovery from the hip. So I had to get better to put it together. Now it has about 7,400 miles on it. I even bought a second carbon frame and put the previous Ultegra triple group on it. It is loaned out right now ... sorry no picks of the back up bike. If you want more advice or information then PM me.
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Rode Chinese carbon?
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Old 12-19-13, 10:39 PM   #21
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I have been researching these carbon frames in their own manufacturers forums and on regular bike related forums. I haven't seen a bunch of "look at this carbon failure" posts. Actually none at all. Busted carbon.com doesn't have any new posts recently that aren't related to cartop carriers. Surely some one would want to show us this exploded bike junk....???
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This is my criterium bike. Hong Fu FM015. The frame has been around for about 3 years now and has a solid history. 16lbs 2oz with full 105. I paid $800 for the frame/fork/headset + the 105 group (take-off group I got off Craigslist).



I built this bike because I wanted a "cheap" and somewhat disposable bike for crit racing. Lots of crashing going on in Cat 5 and the thought of doing that to my (very expensive) Roubaix just didn't sit well. The bike is light, stiff, fast, but is not overly comfortable. Rides noticeably harsher than the Roubaix though 700x25c tires has helped a lot and for a 40 min effort, comfort isn't a huge factor.

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I bought and enjoyed an ICAN AC053.

Liked:
Extremely stiff race ready bike, handled like it was on rails
Robust feeling, it would take a lot to damage this frame in a crash. Dropouts, headset race, included seatpost all well designed and tough.
Less than 1.1Kg
Cool aero design, 3K matte finish was actually really nice. Lots of compliments on the look of the frame.
Vendor was easy to deal with (Miracle Trade).
Expanding wedge seatpost binder worked well and looked cool.
BB shell was well machined, no problems in initial assembly.
The fact that I could easily afford this frame ($500 + shipping) and didn't really care if I crashed it.

Disliked:
Really stupid internal cable design that rattled, routed the RD cable right next to the rear skewer and eventually killed the frame (corrosion in a really tough spot, tried to fix it and destroyed the frame in the process, partially my fault).
RD hanger not straight on delivery. Minor fix but annoying.
Buckboard ride that beat the crap out of you after a couple of hours. Chinese frames in general are pretty unforgiving, apparently.
Didn't really save all that much money once you add in all the build pieces. Pick up last year's complete LBS bike and you might actually save vs. a generic Chinese frame with all componentry bought at close to retail.

Overall, if you have all the parts already (you're just swapping out the frame), know exactly what you want and can do all the assembly work yourself they might make sense. If not, lots of other options cost only a little more and have significant advantages.

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Old 12-20-13, 09:40 AM   #24
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I have a question that could help OP decide. Given a Nashbar aluminum road frame with nashbar carbon fork and price-appropriate parts and cheap wheels, if you bought a Chinese carbon frame and moved all of the parts over how much difference would you feel in the ride? OK that's flogging a dead horse but if anyone wants to answer I thought I'd throw it out there, so my real question is:

If you had a stock Cervelo and moved all of the parts and wheels over to a generic Chinese Carbon frame, how much difference would you feel in the ride?
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Chinese carbon seem like a good idea to me mostly because nearly all carbon bikes are Chinese... Who actually makes their own Carbon? Maybe Giant? For the US at least, that's all I can think of, oh wait and Parlee, down the steet from me. But I still don't see the appeal of Parlee's custom carbon... rather get a custom steel for less. Pay $3K for custom carbon that will 100% break and fail in the future, no thank you.
- I noticed if you search background info for the these companies, they are often the manufactureres of the big name OEMs... Just saying, the frames are from the same plant!

And on Ebay you can get Carbon as low as $250 + 80 shipping. From what I read so far and talking to shops, no matter how good carbon is, expect it to wear out and break. So if it's going to break anyway? $350 a year for a Carbon frame as disposable, sounds like a plan to me, if that's your interest. Though with CAAD10, Specialized Allez E5 around, Aluminum sure seem more tempting than Chinese carbon, especially if you really wanted to, you can build an Allez 15 lbs bike... with the same geometry and racing ability as a Tarmac carbon.

Maybe consider bamboo? I've been reading that Bamboo can be made light enough for racing/competition. It's stronger than steel and as stiff as any carbon bike, but absorbs shock and vibrations better than all other materials. Oh and it's cheaper than any custom carbon.

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