Advertise on Bikeforums.net



User Tag List

Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast
Results 26 to 50 of 51
BikesDirect.com
  1. #26
    Senior Member ericm979's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    Santa Cruz Mountains
    Posts
    6,170
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I have built four sets of wheel using the BHS hubs, mostly the SL211 and UL66 front. They are very well made for the price. I agree about the DS flange spacing being narrower than I like, but it's better than some popular hubs like DT. The SL218 has slightly wider DS flange spacing. The freehubs resist gouging much better than other aluminium freehubs like Powertap.

    I have tried lacing the DS 1x heads in, which increases the effective flange spacing. It does make the wheel feel laterally stiffer but I'm not yet sure if it makes the wheel more durable.

  2. #27
    don't misunderestimate me BoSoxYacht's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    take your time, enjoy the scenery, it will be there when you get to it
    My Bikes
    07 IRO BFGB fixed-gear, 07 Pedal Force RS
    Posts
    6,316
    Mentioned
    7 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by ericm979 View Post
    I have built four sets of wheel using the BHS hubs, mostly the SL211 and UL66 front. They are very well made for the price. I agree about the DS flange spacing being narrower than I like, but it's better than some popular hubs like DT. The SL218 has slightly wider DS flange spacing. The freehubs resist gouging much better than other aluminium freehubs like Powertap.

    I have tried lacing the DS 1x heads in, which increases the effective flange spacing. It does make the wheel feel laterally stiffer but I'm not yet sure if it makes the wheel more durable.
    I thought that heads out would be better because it would help to increase NDS spoke tension. That's what I did on my build using Dati hubs which have even less NDS flange offset.

    The build I did(2xDS& radial heads out NDS)is plenty stiff for me.

    The other question I have about these hubs is the speed of freehub engagement. I love how quick the Dati hubs hook up because of the 51 teeth in the hub. I never had a problem with my old Neuvation wheels until I got used to the Dati hubs, but now they feel a bit slow to engage.

  3. #28
    Falls Downalot gc3's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    DC
    My Bikes
    Now I Got Two
    Posts
    3,020
    Mentioned
    15 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by BoSoxYacht View Post
    It's a shame that BDop doesn't offer a silver hub, but honestly I like a loud hub when coasting.
    The Novatec isn't quiet by any means, but it isn't overly loud either...there are other distributors but I prefer BDop for these...

    "I tried being reasonable, I didn‘t like it."
    "I understand. I just don't care"
    "I don't give a f*ck" if they remember me at all" (F. Zappa)

  4. #29
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Haunchyville
    Posts
    6,362
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by BoSoxYacht View Post
    I thought that heads out would be better because it would help to increase NDS spoke tension. That's what I did on my build using Dati hubs which have even less NDS flange offset.

    The build I did(2xDS& radial heads out NDS)is plenty stiff for me.

    The other question I have about these hubs is the speed of freehub engagement. I love how quick the Dati hubs hook up because of the 51 teeth in the hub. I never had a problem with my old Neuvation wheels until I got used to the Dati hubs, but now they feel a bit slow to engage.
    DS heads in would increase NDS tension.

  5. #30
    don't misunderestimate me BoSoxYacht's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    take your time, enjoy the scenery, it will be there when you get to it
    My Bikes
    07 IRO BFGB fixed-gear, 07 Pedal Force RS
    Posts
    6,316
    Mentioned
    7 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by canam73 View Post
    DS heads in would increase NDS tension.
    Psimet, please chime in.

  6. #31
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Haunchyville
    Posts
    6,362
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Oh crap. If Rob is coming I better clarify:

    Lacing the ds heads in will give you a marginally wider effective ds flange offset which will allow for slightly higher nds tension when the wheel is true and correctly dished.

    Note that I do not lace my own wheels this way as I prefer to 2x or 3x on both sides dependent on which gives a more tangent pulling spoke.

  7. #32
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Houston, TX
    My Bikes
    1990 Romic Reynolds 531, 2009 Giant TCR Advanced custom build, Merlin Works CR Ti custom build
    Posts
    13,201
    Mentioned
    93 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by BoSoxYacht View Post
    I thought that heads out would be better because it would help to increase NDS spoke tension. That's what I did on my build using Dati hubs which have even less NDS flange offset.

    The build I did(2xDS& radial heads out NDS)is plenty stiff for me.

    The other question I have about these hubs is the speed of freehub engagement. I love how quick the Dati hubs hook up because of the 51 teeth in the hub. I never had a problem with my old Neuvation wheels until I got used to the Dati hubs, but now they feel a bit slow to engage.
    Heads out on the NDS will increase NDS tension, but at the expense of a little stiffness. Heads in on the DS also increases NDS tension but with an overall increase in stiffness, not decrease. That would be a reason to prefer this latter method. It is hard to cross spokes with all the heads pointing the same way, unless the cross number is very low like 1X. If radial, then there is no problem to point all the heads on a side in one direction.

  8. #33
    I scream for ice cream. SkyeC's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Broakland, CA
    Posts
    530
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ricanfred View Post
    Just had a very reputable local wheelbuilder build some Archetypes with these hubs and Sapim Lasers. Used 24R front and 28-2X(nds and ds) and I'm 165ish. He said he was very impressed with the quality and geometry of the hubs. Mentioned it was one of the best he has seen from unbranded Taiwanese hubs.
    i also built mine up with Archetypes, 28/32, and my builder was also impressed with them. That was coming from a guy that has been building wheels for decades and has been through a ton of fancy wheelsets.

  9. #34
    enginerd
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    Raleigh, NC
    My Bikes
    Trek 600, Cannondale Track, 3Rensho, GT GTB, Cinelli Supercorsa, Burley Duet, Cinelli Zydeco, Stevens Ventoux, Bianchi NuovoAlloro, 29er
    Posts
    420
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I've built three sets personally for some of the household's bikes (all on archetypes - which also rock). Very nice hubs, unbeatable price and weight, decent color/drilling selection. It's hard to go for any other option at the price. Bikehubstore has also been quick to answer questions and help with any logistics issues.

    I'm running a 20/24H set on archetypes and I weigh 180. So far, so good. The 24/28H set I built last year has been issue-free even after a few spills.


    my bikes: http://fastwagon.blogspot.com/p/bike-gallery.html
    pedalroom: http://www.pedalroom.com/members/CrashTest

  10. #35
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Location
    SW Ohio
    Posts
    7
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ricanfred View Post
    Just had a very reputable local wheelbuilder build some Archetypes with these hubs and Sapim Lasers. Used 24R front and 28-2X(nds and ds) and I'm 165ish. He said he was very impressed with the quality and geometry of the hubs. Mentioned it was one of the best he has seen from unbranded Taiwanese hubs.
    Old thread resurrection....

    I too ride a 2011 Trek 2.3 like yours and have been considering a new wheelset. I currently ride 25mm tires on my stock 19mm rims. Have you tried 25mm tires on your new 23mm wheels? I'd like to go to a wider wheelset, but I'm concerned frame and fork clearance of the Trek 2.3 won't allow anything wider than a 23mm tire with on 23mm rim.

  11. #36
    Senior Member Looigi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Posts
    8,190
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Can't say anything about your clearance, but 23mm tire on a 23 rim behaves much like a 25mm tire on a 19mm rim. Inflated widths are the same and optimal pressures are the same. And handling will likely better with the 23/23 combo than the 25/19 combo. So get the wide rims and if 25 tires won't fit, be happy with 23s.
    Eschew simplistic dogma.

  12. #37
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Location
    SW Ohio
    Posts
    7
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    That is what I'm thinking Looigi. Thanks.

  13. #38
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Tulsa OK
    Posts
    1,656
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Looking at building up some of the Pacenti's. Anyone ever encountered a fork that wouldn't handle the SL71w front hubs?

  14. #39
    Senior Member Ricanfred's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Madison, WI
    My Bikes
    Yes, I ride an aluminum Trek!
    Posts
    493
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro S View Post
    Old thread resurrection....

    I too ride a 2011 Trek 2.3 like yours and have been considering a new wheelset. I currently ride 25mm tires on my stock 19mm rims. Have you tried 25mm tires on your new 23mm wheels? I'd like to go to a wider wheelset, but I'm concerned frame and fork clearance of the Trek 2.3 won't allow anything wider than a 23mm tire with on 23mm rim.
    PedroS,

    I have tried 25mm tires (Continental GP4000) with my 23mm wide wheelset and have had rear brake/caliper clearance issues. It's very tight in there and the spring in the brake will rub the tire if the caliper is not perfectly center. Using 23mm Pro 4s now and love the setup. You will not have issues in the front.
    2011 Trek 2.3

  15. #40
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Location
    SW Ohio
    Posts
    7
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ricanfred View Post
    PedroS,

    I have tried 25mm tires (Continental GP4000) with my 23mm wide wheelset and have had rear brake/caliper clearance issues. It's very tight in there and the spring in the brake will rub the tire if the caliper is not perfectly center. Using 23mm Pro 4s now and love the setup. You will not have issues in the front.
    I'm not surprised you had clearance issues with the Continentals. I ran a set of 25mm GP4000s and they were huge. Much larger than the 25mm Vittoria tires I run now. Thanks for your input.

    Sorry for the thread hijack.

  16. #41
    Senior Member Aladin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Location
    Siberia West USA
    My Bikes
    2000 Litespeed Appalachian, 2004 Lemond TREK Poprad 853 Reynolds, 2009 Cannondale Quik 6 'RAIN DAZE'
    Posts
    108
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by canam73 View Post
    DS heads in would increase NDS tension.
    Yes.. about as much as the length difference in those DS's lacing inbound vs outbound.

    And... that ain't much.

  17. #42
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Houston, TX
    My Bikes
    1990 Romic Reynolds 531, 2009 Giant TCR Advanced custom build, Merlin Works CR Ti custom build
    Posts
    13,201
    Mentioned
    93 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Aladin View Post
    Yes.. about as much as the length difference in those DS's lacing inbound vs outbound.

    And... that ain't much.
    But it does help. Balancing side-to-side tension often requires a strategy of a little bit here and a little bit there. NDS heads out is very helpful for balancing the tension of the two sides. Add that to an offset drilled rim and a hub with an NDS flange not too far left, and you can have very balanced wheel.
    Robert

    My hero: "Tar-Baby ain't sayin' nuthin'..." (Joel Chandler Harris, Uncle Remus")

  18. #43
    Senior Member Jiggle's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Location
    Somewhere in TX
    My Bikes
    CAAD 9
    Posts
    1,510
    Mentioned
    12 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I've never had a use for them. I build the beater wheels with the <$100/set Taiwan or Chinese hubs and nice wheelsets with Dura Ace 9000.

  19. #44
    Senior Member Aladin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Location
    Siberia West USA
    My Bikes
    2000 Litespeed Appalachian, 2004 Lemond TREK Poprad 853 Reynolds, 2009 Cannondale Quik 6 'RAIN DAZE'
    Posts
    108
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by rpenmanparker View Post
    But it does help. Balancing side-to-side tension often requires a strategy of a little bit here and a little bit there. NDS heads out is very helpful for balancing the tension of the two sides. Add that to an offset drilled rim and a hub with an NDS flange not too far left, and you can have very balanced wheel.
    True enough... the offset.. which I like. That does get NDS's into the 80's generally. But you mention offsets and the internet parrots start the chorus of the one or few cranked along the spoke hole bed.

    You might get.. 5 kgf max by that heads in strategy. Few 'roll your own' types get that kind of tension balance around the wheel spokes... very few.

    I've cheated a few rears .1" to the left.. which does give some meaningful kgf increase.

  20. #45
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Haunchyville
    Posts
    6,362
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Aladin View Post
    Yes.. about as much as the length difference in those DS's lacing inbound vs outbound.

    And... that ain't much.
    Two years later you come roaring in to nit pick a correction I made for someone who was taking it in the opposite direction? Nothing gets by you.

  21. #46
    don't misunderestimate me BoSoxYacht's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    take your time, enjoy the scenery, it will be there when you get to it
    My Bikes
    07 IRO BFGB fixed-gear, 07 Pedal Force RS
    Posts
    6,316
    Mentioned
    7 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by canam73 View Post
    Two years later you come roaring in to nit pick a correction I made for someone who was taking it in the opposite direction? Nothing gets by you.
    This is one of those threads that should be locked because so much about the original topic isn't relevant anymore. The BHS hubs I was asking about have been changed/improved to the point that the original question doesn't apply.

  22. #47
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Haunchyville
    Posts
    6,362
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by BoSoxYacht View Post
    This is one of those threads that should be locked because so much about the original topic isn't relevant anymore. The BHS hubs I was asking about have been changed/improved to the point that the original question doesn't apply.
    Somebody would have a lot of work to do if they were going to enforce that standard.

  23. #48
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Tulsa OK
    Posts
    1,656
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    So the rear hubs available now are much improved? I've been up in the air between them and the Bdops.

  24. #49
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Haunchyville
    Posts
    6,362
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by therhodeo View Post
    So the rear hubs available now are much improved? I've been up in the air between them and the Bdops.
    The Novatecs had a definite geometry advantage for Shimano 10sp, but with the 11sp hubs everyone is much closer. Depending on what cassettes you use it might be an advantage to get the Novatec with the ABG.

  25. #50
    don't misunderestimate me BoSoxYacht's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    take your time, enjoy the scenery, it will be there when you get to it
    My Bikes
    07 IRO BFGB fixed-gear, 07 Pedal Force RS
    Posts
    6,316
    Mentioned
    7 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by therhodeo View Post
    So the rear hubs available now are much improved? I've been up in the air between them and the Bdops.
    From what rpenmanparker said, the BHS hubs have improved the hub geometry, but I haven't done the research. BDop Novatec hubs are a very good value hub, and low NDS tension is not an issue.

Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •