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    Thoughts on Motobecane Sprint CF?

    I don't own a BD bike but I am very familiar with them. I am more active in the commuting, cyclocross and fixed gear forum and there are plenty of satisfied owners of various BD bikes over there. I want to get a racier dedicated road bike for my next bike and I was browsing their site and this caught my eye for the price

    http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...sprint_xiv.htm

    Would this be comparable to say a Supersix with Tiagra?

    http://www.cannondale.com/2013/bikes...mpact-crankset

    Basically, is $1100 a really good deal for what you are getting with the Sprint CF or is there a comparable LBS model to be had for a couple hundred more? I have easy access to LBS selling Cannondale, Trek, Specialized, Bianchi, Raleigh and Giant
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    I would look for something used... within that price point you could get something much nicer, I picked up my look 555 for $1000, virtually unridden from a guy that "never got into it." and its not like I just got lucky, I do come across high quality bikes around that price point constantly here on NY craigslist.

    I had a BD fixed gear some years back... it was crap, just my $.02

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    Yes you can do better if you spend a touch more money, here is a carbon bike with 105 for $1500
    http://www.performancebike.com/bikes...400309__400309

    Carbon with Tiagra/105 for $1400
    http://www.performancebike.com/bikes...400315__400315

    I would take both of those over that Motobecane.

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    I gotta say... That Moto (is it new to BD?) is the best looking frame they've put out in carbon for a while. I never liked the look of the immortal whatevers with the curved forks and flat top tube, this one looks much improved and I actually think it's a good deal for what it is.

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    Although I've never even seen this bike, I'm a big fan of BD stuff. $1,100 for that bike is way better than you're going to do in an LBS (although those wheels look suspiciously boat-anchor-ish). Their products really do represent some of the best values around, IMO. The trade-off is that their customer service is no-frills (to say the least), they're not going to hand-hold you through the assembly of the bike, you can't size the bike easily and it a bit of a leap into the unknown.

    The Performance Fuji and GT poster earlier are indeed both a bit nicer, but you're paying 25-30% more. To make a more reasonable comparison, if you step up to $1400 at BD, you're going to get something like this.

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    Thanks for the replies. The Sprint CF does seem to be a new model on BD. I have done a lot of work on my current bikes and I also bought a track frame on line and built that up so I am confident sizing a bike myself based on geometry charts and comfortable doing the assembly that would be needed from BD. I will probably look around CL and Ebay for a used deal for a while since I'm in no hurry. I am going to buy my wife a starter road bike and I'll probably use her as a guinea pig for BD and get one for her there and see how it goes
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    I ride a motobecane from BD and just got my wife a mercier from BD.

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    End of year clearance sales coming up online and in the shops!

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    I have a Moto Immortal Spirit full FC with 7800 dura-ace. I put 7800 brakes on it otherwise after 7000 miles not kilometers I am blessed. Rides like a dream shifts perfect and weights 17.5 lbs in 59 frame with pedals and bottle cage. I does help I am a good wrench and can do my own service.

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    Thanks for the replies. From research it seems like the quality of BD bikes has gotten much better in recent years. I personally don't care what name is on my bike and if I can remove decals I will because I prefer to keep a low profile with an unbranded frame. So if the frame set and components are at the same level that I would pay 30-50% more for at the LBS then I will give BD a shot. I also feel comfortable doing most work and maintenance myself.
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    I'm thinking/hoping they'll sell that frame with 105/Ultegra/DA at some point, it's odd that their newest looking frame with a tapered steerer, internal cabling, and shaped tubes would only be available with Tiagra.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan333SP View Post
    I'm thinking/hoping they'll sell that frame with 105/Ultegra/DA at some point, it's odd that their newest looking frame with a tapered steerer, internal cabling, and shaped tubes would only be available with Tiagra.
    Me too. I'm not going to buy anything immediately. I would like something with 105 at least
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    What about the Condor bike on BD?

    http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...-roadbikes.htm

    Aluminum but full Ultegra for $1300? Seems like good bang for the buck as well but the decals are gawdy
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    not bad considering the Ultegra 6800 would cost you about a grand alone.

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    can't say much about the frame, but looking at the components, I'm not impressed.
    I would sooner pay a few hindred more and get a good alu frame/cf fork with 105 stuff and a decent wheelset.

    My guess is that wheelset will function until you get to 3K miles and then it'll just start coming apart.

    Crankset/BB is lower level stuff, below Tiagra.

    If you don;t plan to ride it much, it would prolly do.
    But for a fact, any of the branded CF stuff (Spec,Trek,Cannondale, Jamis, etc) used, would prolly far out last this.

    For $1100, this is like their $600 bikes with a CF frame...

    The list of $2900 is a total joke - at best it's a $900 bike being sold for $1100

    EDIT: Not knowing yoursize, My bet is that something like this will be heads above the Motobecane
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cannondale-C...item4175c138e3
    and will prolly sell for way less than $1100, even with shipping
    I'm sure there's prolly a bunch of nice stuff out there...

    or this...
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Specialized-...item2ec9ba920d
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    Quote Originally Posted by cyclezen View Post
    can't say much about the frame, but looking at the components, I'm not impressed.
    I would sooner pay a few hindred more and get a good alu frame/cf fork with 105 stuff and a decent wheelset.

    My guess is that wheelset will function until you get to 3K miles and then it'll just start coming apart.

    Crankset/BB is lower level stuff, below Tiagra.

    If you don;t plan to ride it much, it would prolly do.
    But for a fact, any of the branded CF stuff (Spec,Trek,Cannondale, Jamis, etc) used, would prolly far out last this.

    For $1100, this is like their $600 bikes with a CF frame...

    The list of $2900 is a total joke - at best it's a $900 bike being sold for $1100

    EDIT: Not knowing yoursize, My bet is that something like this will be heads above the Motobecane
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cannondale-C...item4175c138e3
    and will prolly sell for way less than $1100, even with shipping
    I'm sure there's prolly a bunch of nice stuff out there...

    or this...
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Specialized-...item2ec9ba920d

    I actually saw both of those ebay listings before you posted but I am looking for 54. I can get that Supersix 6 Tiagra for $1350 at the LBS so saving $250 on the BD bike isn't really worth it. But I have recently decided that my next bike needs to have SRAM so all these options are out now ;-)
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    I bought a Motobecane Sprint off craigslist for 900 less than a year old, and the guy already put on Ksyrium SL wheelset. This ome was aluminum w carbon stays and fork, Ultegra components. It has absolutely great for years. Some dick motorist hit me and cracked my carbon, I bought an Immortal Spirit carbon frame. Even better bike now. I have swapped the chain a few times, and the cassette once. The shifters might need to be swapped soon. but I got thousands and thousands of miles on it so far, and love every one of them. I can't compare it to a LBS bike, but I totally think BD has great value, if that's what you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rms13 View Post
    What about the Condor bike on BD?

    http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...-roadbikes.htm

    Aluminum but full Ultegra for $1300? Seems like good bang for the buck as well but the decals are gawdy
    There are other Condor models being sold on Ebay, e.g.,
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/CONDOR-SUPER...item2c7115ba57
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/CONDOR-FLIGH...item232d9d83a9

    Here's a thread from another forum on the Superbird - http://forums.roadbikereview.com/mot...-d-307895.html

    This link says the Kinesis frame "looks just like a Caad10" - http://racingbikesfor.me/995-00-cond...am-apex-new-7/

    Condor is an old English make that is still in business. BD must have bought the rights to use their name in the US, possibly as a replacement for the Bottecchia-branded bikes they sold for a few years. There are still some for sale on Ebay. I bought a BD Bottecchia in 2007 and its really nice and was an amazing deal at the time, with a full Campagnolo Record group for $1500. At the time the cheapest the Record group was selling for was $1800. It also has a Columbus frame and $300 Vuelta Super-Lite wheels.

    About SRAM - you need to try it first. I have all three makes and it is my least favorite because of the clunky shifting, which works well nonetheless.
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    OK, last question. Any thoughts on these two bikes? Geometry looks the same but the motobecane looks like the top tube slopes more. Is the difference just aesthetics?
    http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...strada_xii.htm

    http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/condor/sr_a.htm
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    I can't see the condor but the moto looks good and nice price for an Apex build. Do you feel you are close to pulling the trigger or just doing your homework still?

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    Quote Originally Posted by seymour1910 View Post
    I can't see the condor but the moto looks good and nice price for an Apex build. Do you feel you are close to pulling the trigger or just doing your homework still?
    I'm ready to pull the trigger but I don't need a new bike so I can wait a while if I have to
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    I like that AL Condor with 11sp Ultegra 6800 and Mavic Aksium wheels (pretty solid training wheels.) That's like $900-1000 worth of kit in a $1300 bike. You could keep your eye out for a good deal on a carbon frame and swap the parts over in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyclezen View Post
    My guess is that wheelset will function until you get to 3K miles and then it'll just start coming apart.
    Not likely true. I've beaten the crap out of the $129 set of Alex wheels I got stock on my single speed from BD on gravel trails in awful conditions thousands of miles and they still work just fine. Of course, they weigh an effing ton. Light, strong, cheap: pick two. With "cheap" BD-speced wheels, you're usually giving up "light" not "strong".

    Crankset/BB is lower level stuff, below Tiagra.
    In fairness, most major brands also spec off-brand cranks on lower-end bikes.

    The list of $2900 is a total joke - at best it's a $900 bike being sold for $1100
    Agree the $2,900 figure is bull. Your second point is way off base, point me to the nearest new $900 carbon bike you find that beats the BD bike on spec.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyclezen View Post
    can't say much about the frame, but looking at the components, I'm not impressed.
    I would sooner pay a few hindred more and get a good alu frame/cf fork with 105 stuff and a decent wheelset.

    My guess is that wheelset will function until you get to 3K miles and then it'll just start coming apart.

    Crankset/BB is lower level stuff, below Tiagra.

    If you don;t plan to ride it much, it would prolly do.
    But for a fact, any of the branded CF stuff (Spec,Trek,Cannondale, Jamis, etc) used, would prolly far out last this.

    For $1100, this is like their $600 bikes with a CF frame...

    The list of $2900 is a total joke - at best it's a $900 bike being sold for $1100

    EDIT: Not knowing yoursize, My bet is that something like this will be heads above the Motobecane
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cannondale-C...item4175c138e3
    and will prolly sell for way less than $1100, even with shipping
    I'm sure there's prolly a bunch of nice stuff out there...

    or this...
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Specialized-...item2ec9ba920d
    The Wheelset is going to start coming apart? I suppose you are a great wrench and have insight that I do not? Granted the components are not that great but a few upgrades over time and you are going to be money ahead no matter what. Why would a Spec , Treck, or Caad, or whatever out last this frame? Again you must have information that the rest of us do not.

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    I ended up ordering the Moto Super Strada last night

    http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...strada_xii.htm

    In the end I sold myself on the Apex group and decided to just get the cheapest entry into that. The Moto's graphics look like less of an eyesore then the Condor so that made my final decision. I'll post back once I have it on the road with my review
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