ninjabrewer

Been away from the sport for some time, question. What are Stans?

nb

canam73

Stans is sealant made by Stans 'NoTubes'. Made for tubeless tire set ups, but it also can be used in other tire set ups as a precaution. It can gum up valves hence the question about removable cores.

jackss731

Im using conti sprinters and they actually have pretty good thorn protection (texas goat heads) while still being fast and amazing cornering.
I usually put stans in the tubies and they seal up freaky fast! its sealed before it goes flat (maybe at about 50 psi) so I just use my CO2 to fill it back up.

my boss tells me to use Bontrager TLR sealant since its ammonia free so ill be using that instead of stans next time.

I do want to try tufo s33 special and the corsa evo cx II but ive have good luck with the sprinters and you can find them all within the same price range.

Reeses

I actually just splurged on the Veloflex tires ahaa~

I went down to my local Performance Bike shop and they want to charge me $25/wheel for gluing tires ... Is that not outrageous?!

Reeses

What do you do when the Stans dries out? Would dried sealant have any effect on the tire?

kleng

It depends on how well they do it, multiple layers of glue , letting the different layers dry overnight etc.

You could try it yourself with Tufo tape that's what I do with my Veloflex extremes, not the purist way but you can mount a tire in 5 minutes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGXioR1e0Jg

canam73

Has anyone tried Vittoria Pit Stop as an after the fact sealant/inflator? Or used it like Stans? I have a couple cans but thankfully have not had the need since I got them.

sced

I had no luck with the Pit Stop after two tries and the stuff ain't cheap. I've also used Slime and it works really well.

canam73

I got it for free so I'm not broken up about it. But the fella I got it from seemed to be surprised I wasn't already using it like everybody was. Does it not seal well or mess your valves or what?

sced

It didn't seal well and made a big mess. I still have a few cans of it but don't take it with me.

Reeses

Would the Tufo tape work alright on previously rims w/ glue residue? Or would I have to remove the old glue?

kleng

I normally try and remove as much glue as possible, so at least it's even instead of patchy. When it's patchy and raised , it can sometimes cause bumps in the tape and tire, so it needs to be as smooth as possible..

Once you spend the effort and get the glue off, using the tape is a doddle, as it comes off without much residue, when you need to tape another tire on.

I use this orange oil based product along with a common scotch brite scourer pad, the scourer pad because of it's loose open structure picks up the glue residue rather than spreading it like a cloth would. Still requires some patience and elbow grease though, but it does get it back to the raw carbon. Try not to let the orange solvent get every where, just work on a small part of the rim at each time, and remember to put newspaper on the floor. Once the glue is off wash the whole wheel in dishwashing liquid to get off the remanents of the solvent.

https://www.rcr.com.au/desolvit

ninjabrewer

Ah ok, thanks.

nb

jackss731

well granted I've only have the tubulars for about 2 months but I work at a shop and I've seen people come in 7months to a year later and their stans finally dried up...however they didn't use it for a bit so it just sat there.

I purchase the small 2 oz bottles small and when I get a flat I put in about 1/4 of an ounce which is enough to find the hole, seal it up, and hopefully coat the tubie till I get another puncture. I wasn't able to fit my tubular on right the first time so I have that hop every revolution so im used to any imbalances.

however, it is latex based so I wouldn't recommend stans for tubulars with a latex inner tube.

Reeses

Just received 2 tubes of this for free:


can i use it on my Zipp 303s?

kleng

Not recommended, https://www.conti-online.com/www/bicy...kleber_en.html

zx9rmal

FWIW, Biketiresdirect has some good prices on tubulars. The Tufo Jet Special is $45 and is very durable and flat resistant.

I <3 Robots

I use the stuff in my tubulars. It seems to last alot longer than in my mountain bike. Mine has been in my tires for over 6 months and it still hasn't dried up. The road bike stays inside the house...so it wasn't exposed to the hot temps in the garage over the summer. The Stan's in my MTB tires clumped up in about three months.

kimconyc

I was riding with a buddy of mine who got a tiny puncture from a sharp stone (slow leak) and we used pit-stop and it worked really well.

FWIW, I ride with Pit-Stop and a spare tubular when I ride with tubulars and it seems like enough peace-of-mind.

kimconyc

I've used the Conti (carbon specific) tubular glue in a pinch and I hated it! I always go back to Vittoria Mastik'One.

Also, on a side note, I used to do the whole multi-day cure/layer thing but I just put two layers on the tire (with 1-2 hours dry time in between) and two layers on the tubular (4 layers if a brand-new rim) with the same 1-2 hour dry time. So the whole process takes maybe 3 hours.

However, I do make sure to stretch out brand new tires for a few days so they go on easily.


The Corsa EVO CX is a really nice tire but it's more race-specific. I had those on my tubulars for a while but switched to the Vittoria Pave CG's (the 2014 offers a new option, an even wider 27mm tire!!!).

They are wider and more robust/durable than the EVO CX. I've used these riding on several continents, descending some of the most technical mountain courses in Europe (both wet and dry), and they are pretty confidence inspiring in the corners and should last a lot longer than the EVO CX. I don't race and I like these a lot better than the EVO CX for the ride quality and wider profile. The alien vomit green color might turn some people off, however. YMMV.

carpediemracing 

If it's a solid glue job I think that's a very fair price. Keep in mind that if they used their own glue then they used about $4-5 retail of glue.

How I glue:
https://sprinterdellacasa.blogspot.co...e-tubular.html

Under extreme pressure I have glued a new unstretched tire in 15 minutes ("extreme pressure" = wife is on the way to hospital to have labor induced on Thursday and I have a race on Sunday and I don't know when I'll be back at the house). Under normal conditions an unstretched tire takes me 30-40 minutes.

I won't ride it until a day later. I'll check it and if I have any doubts then I'll reglue it.

Personally, if I had a shop in 2013, I'd charge $60 to glue a tire. Based on the shops I've visited this is about 45-60 minutes of labor. This way there's no rush to get it done and I'd be absolutely confident that the tire won't come off. I don't remember what we said it'd cost when I managed/owned a shop but it was a lot, maybe an hour labor.

We preferred to spend time showing people how to glue a tire (at no charge to them), usually letting them watch us glue one of our own tires, but due to liability I preferred not to glue a tire for a paying customer. If someone relented and decided to have us glue a tire then I'd prorate a discount because the high price was meant to be a deterrent and to cover our butts. If we glued a tire in 20 minutes we charged 1/3 the hourly rate.

kimconyc

nice!

waters60

" 45-60 minutes of labor " ? Seems like a lot of time. I've been riding tubulars for 30 + years and have never spent more than 20 minutes gluing a tire. Never rolled a tire or come close, even in the days when I just glued the rim. Lots of steep technical descents included. I take off the old tire, put on the unglued new one, pump it up to see if it is OK, take it off, stretch it a little by hand, glue tire and rim, wait a few minutes for them to get tacky, put tire on rim, inflate to moderate pressure and am good to go, waiting till the next morning to ride. Too much mystery about tubulars scares people away. It is not too difficult and the benefits of replacing a tubular on the road speak for themselves.

canam73

Thanks for the input.

I really only race on tubulars, but I will carry a can for pre race tune up rides and for warm up/cool down.

Thinking of the time/effort it has always taken to remove a tubular at home I haven't seen the point of taking a spare as I know it ain't happening on the road. Do you use tape or go for a purposely lighter gluing?

Fred Smedley

The ammonia helps with longevity and stability of your mix, so why is that detrimental in a tube? CO2 is also a negative in a Stan's mix, use a pump.