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Why seatpost but not saddlepost?

Old 12-28-13, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Carbon Unit
Why is a hot water heater called a hot water heater? If the water was hot, it wouldn't need to be heated. Why not a cold water heater?
It's just "water heater". The people who call them "hot water heaters" are usually also the ones who "could care less"...
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Why is bra singular and panties plural?
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I would say that seat refers to the object as a whole, where you sit; or in other words the combination of individual components that make up the seat region. So the saddle, and seat post are just some individual components that make up the seat.
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That being said, why do feet smell and noses run?
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Originally Posted by link0
I wonder how a stemless bike handles.
Bikes with stems that have zero or little forward extensions require less effort to steer, but steering is quicker and will feel less stable than bikes with longer forward stem extensions. Early in the 20th century manufacturers started adding forward stem extensions to make steering more stable. This one is from 1917.



Kelly was one of the first to offer an extension stem.

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Old 12-28-13, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by zymphad
Clipless peddles will win everytime for stupid name for any sport equipment. Hands down, every time. I don't care for the reason why it's called that, it's a stupid name. Name it after whoever invented it if you're really lazy... C'mon. Clipless peddles that clip? Yeah definitely dumbest name to any athletic equipment ever.
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Clipless pedals?
Originally Posted by Pb_Okole
They are called clipless because they don't require toe clips. Before they came along, every serious cyclist used toe clips and straps to secure their feet to the pedals. The new pedals used a cleat and binding system to secure your feet to the pedals and didn't require toe clips and straps. Thus, they were called clipless pedals. I suppose if you don't like or understand the term clipless pedals, you could always call them strapless pedals. Sounds a little sexier too.
Right; I understand. My comment/question was more about the spelling of pedal vs. peddle than why they're called clipless.
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Originally Posted by Pb_Okole
They are called clipless because they don't require toe clips. Before they came along, every serious cyclist used toe clips and straps to secure their feet to the pedals. The new pedals used a cleat and binding system to secure your feet to the pedals and didn't require toe clips and straps. Thus, they were called clipless pedals. I suppose if you don't like or understand the term clipless pedals, you could always call them strapless pedals. Sounds a little sexier too.
I've heard them called "automatic pedals".

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Originally Posted by Reynolds
I've heard them called "automatic pedals".
Do they pedal for you?
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Old 12-29-13, 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by 2 wheeler
Only newbs or non-thinking types call them "hot water heaters". At Home Depot they sell Water Heaters.
Also known as hot water systems, or in the industry as "calorifiers".
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I would think that its a matter of the order of classification. A bicycle saddle is a type of seat. The other way would not be correct: a seat is a type of bicycle saddle.

Once that's understood, then the question of describing a post or tube would appear to be a general classification, and not a specific classification.

Then why use a general classification over a specific classification? Perhaps there is no need to be specific when "precision and clarity" is not warranted.
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"Seat" has half as many syllables as "saddle"...
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& "Semi detached" housing , how can it be neither? Attached , or Not.
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Old 12-29-13, 02:14 PM
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I like seatpin best. Fewest syllables and letters ftw.
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It striking that track bike is 19 - 21 lbs. What's the minimum "legal" weight now? 7 kg or so? With a practical limit of 4-5 kg?
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Originally Posted by SloButWide
It striking that track bike is 19 - 21 lbs. What's the minimum "legal" weight now? 7 kg or so? With a practical limit of 4-5 kg?
Uh...Wut?
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Old 11-10-15, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Pb_Okole
They are called clipless because they don't require toe clips. Before they came along, every serious cyclist used toe clips and straps to secure their feet to the pedals. The new pedals used a cleat and binding system to secure your feet to the pedals and didn't require toe clips and straps. Thus, they were called clipless pedals. I suppose if you don't like or understand the term clipless pedals, you could always call them strapless pedals. Sounds a little sexier too.
This whole thread is pretty much awesome. I vote for saddle pin. My favorite with clipless pedals is when people call them "clip-in" pedals. But now I'm really liking strapless. "I need more coverage in the winter, but I always go strapless in the summer."
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I am impressed with the gearing on that 1899 Schwinn ... is that about 70-20? i see they favored the "knee-over-headset" fitting system as well.
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Old 11-10-15, 03:06 PM
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I know this zombie thread is as old as the hills, but I'd just like to update everyone and say that British people still don't say "saddlepost". Heck, this British person doesn't even say "chainset".
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Originally Posted by link0
I wonder how a stemless bike handles.
Probably really well with FULL RACING RAM HORNS of the stationary variety. I'm going to start using that term to refer to drop bars from now on.

I also like that rat trap was a term in use in the 1800s, it always sounded like a recent thing to me but obviously not. I love that ad!
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Originally Posted by Maelochs
I am impressed with the gearing on that 1899 Schwinn ... is that about 70-20? i see they favored the "knee-over-headset" fitting system as well.
According to the ad it's a 30 x 9, but who knows what chain roller spacing they used back then so that's irrelevant. If that other number (93 1/2) is gear inches, that equates to something close to a 50/14 in modern numbers.
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Old 11-10-15, 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan333SP
Probably really well with FULL RACING RAM HORNS of the stationary variety.
No need to worry about how it steers with no stem if the handlebars don't move. I guess leaning was a more developed art--but it does explain how they pedaled without hitting the handgrips.

What I don't like is that in 1899 they were building bike which weigh less than mine, built about a century later. Or .... bike manufacturers were lying about weight even in the 18990's.
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Originally Posted by Lew.
No we don't...
I've never heard that term before. I don't know if you're getting us mixed up with some other imperial-loving country, but it certainly isn't us.
I've heard people call it the 'seat-tube', and just assumed they were new to the whole bike thing and got parts of the bike mixed up.
Yeah, but you guys do say "mech" and that's bad enough...
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"seat" instead of "saddle" saves valuable syllables, that can be used elsewhere.
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Originally Posted by Homebrew01
"seat" instead of "saddle" saves valuable syllables, that can be used elsewhere.
It's important to save all the syllables that you can, when you, are using, too many commas.

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Originally Posted by Dan333SP
It's important to save all the syllables that you can, when you, are using, too many commas.

I have, in my desk, a whole box, of commas, that I saved from our old website, so , there.
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