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    I can't believe we are still arguing carbon vs. aluminum. I would never go back to alum after riding carbon for almost 10 years now. Haven't all of these concerns been disproved by now? CF doesn't explode in the sun, doesn't melt in the rain, can take a crash, has road feel, is stiff as needed, can be shaped any way you'd like, and is still lighter.

    My son, who rides an aluminum mtb at school, and rides my old steel custom built Davidson when home, took my rental CF Fuji out while we were on vacation. He's checking out new inexpensive CF bikes now. Once you ride carbon you'll never go back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manarius View Post
    Have to say, I'm pretty comfortable in my aluminum Orbea bike; and that's even before I've really worked on fitting it correctly.
    That is both nice to hear and not at all surprising. What I said was there is a risk with inexpensive Al, not that discomfort was unavoidable.

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    I've been riding for a year. First bike was specialized secteur sport - aluminum frame, carbon fork, sora components. Recently got a scoot cr1 team for a great price -$1400. Carbon frame and 105. Much smoother and my body feels much less beat up after a 40 mile ride. My suggestion is look for a great deal on a carbon bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pdauer View Post
    I've been riding for a year. First bike was specialized secteur sport - aluminum frame, carbon fork, sora components. Recently got a scoot cr1 team for a great price -$1400. Carbon frame and 105. Much smoother and my body feels much less beat up after a 40 mile ride. My suggestion is look for a great deal on a carbon bike.
    Yeah…its pretty undeniable how much road "chatter" a carbon frame *can* remove from the ride. I rode a SL2 Roubaix and that thing was super smooth…my Tarmac, not so much. BUT…even though stiff and harsh at times, my Tarmac doesn't have the chatter other aluminum bikes I've had punished me with.

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    I don't race but I am an aggressive rider. I have been riding since the 80s. I have the DB Podium Race, which is very similar to the Etape. I have other bikes, but for speed, I ride the DB race. If you can get that for $1200, you are very ahead of the game. The frame is worthy of upgrades and has a lifetime warranty. You get a lot of bike for the $$. Your are right, the reviews for the DBs are great. That is what led me to try them and I am glad I did.

    If you get into Tri-s or the Ironman, you'll eventually make upgrades to the bike (or get a whole new bike). For $1200, it leaves a lot of room for upgrades. I have added carbon handlebar, carbon seatpost, 105 brakes, Sram Red Crank and new wheelset. It is a fantastic ride and I love it.

    On a late August ride, I got passed by another rider. He was my age and on an old Cannondale...with down tube shifters and 7 gears. No matter what bike you get, the motor is the most important thing!

    Good Luck with your decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pdauer View Post
    I've been riding for a year. First bike was specialized secteur sport - aluminum frame, carbon fork, sora components. Recently got a scoot cr1 team for a great price -$1400. Carbon frame and 105. Much smoother and my body feels much less beat up after a 40 mile ride. My suggestion is look for a great deal on a carbon bike.
    That's a good point, which I agree with. But if the OP is riding less than 40 mile rides, aluminium would likely be fine.
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    Two wheels good. Four wheels bad.

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    Go for the Diamondback Etape. A great buy especially for $1200. The frame is lighter than the vast majority of aluminum framed bikes (even the Caad10 which weighs in at around 1.2kg) The podium 7 weighs about 850 grams, 5 and 6 (renamed as Etape for 2014) is 100 grams more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by buffalowings View Post
    Go for the Diamondback Etape. A great buy especially for $1200. The frame is lighter than the vast majority of aluminum framed bikes (even the Caad10 which weighs in at around 1.2kg) The podium 7 weighs about 850 grams, 5 and 6 (renamed as Etape for 2014) is 100 grams more.
    You sure? Those are nearly lightest weights for CF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rpenmanparker View Post
    You sure? Those are nearly lightest weights for CF.
    according to roadbikereview, http://www.roadbikereview.com/review...Articles&pos=1 the podium 7 is 850 grams, so the Etape weighs in at 950 grams. 950 grams is believable for carbon. Now the Cannondale evo with ballistec nano-tech is crazy light (655 grams).
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    carbon is better and if you buy alu you will buy a carbon to replace it.
    coasting, few quotes are worthy of him, and of those, even fewer printable in a family forum......quote 3alarmer

    No @coasting, you should stay 100% as you are right now, don't change a thing....quote Heathpack

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    Quote Originally Posted by buffalowings View Post
    according to roadbikereview, http://www.roadbikereview.com/review...Articles&pos=1 the podium 7 is 850 grams, so the Etape weighs in at 950 grams. 950 grams is believable for carbon. Now the Cannondale evo with ballistec nano-tech is crazy light (655 grams).
    You're right. I was confused about which brand the OP was considering that was carbon. I thought the DB was aluminum. My mistake. That is damned good value. Giant keeps talking about their ISP SL frames weighing 968 g (that is including the equivalent of a seat post weight), but whenever anyone advertises them for sale on ebay, the weights are always closer to 1,100-1,200 g. I bought a TCR Advanced frame a while ago that was supposed to be around 900 g (no ISP), and it was really 1,207 g. If the DB weights are close to right, they are phenomenal bargains.

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