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Road Cycling It is by riding a bicycle that you learn the contours of a country best, since you have to sweat up the hills and coast down them. Thus you remember them as they actually are, while in a motor car only a high hill impresses you, and you have no such accurate remembrance of country you have driven through as you gain by riding a bicycle. -- Ernest Hemingway

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Old 01-05-14, 07:22 AM   #26
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You can wipe your ass with weights from bike company websites. Always cheat to the light side, never include cages, pedals (I always weigh my bikes with cages/pedals). So the stock bike is realistically closer to 16.5 lbs the day you put your pedals/cages on and pedal off. Getting there with Ultegra is a pain.

You said it would be 'easy'. If I have to change over half the components and plop down a grand for Zipp 404 tubulars used (and deal with tubular tires after that), that's not 'easy'.

There is no more persistent rampant bull**** on the 41 than bicycle weight discussions.
You can get the pedals and cages under 200 grams without much effort. Again, that's easy but may not be cheap.

There's nothing difficult about switching wheels, bars, stem, and saddle. Even if I wasn't concerned about weight I would switch the saddle and bars/stem for fit and comfort. As far as wheels go, Zipp isn't the only brand out there. Yes, going tubular is the only way to go super duper light, but you can get under 1300 grams with clinchers. Again, that's 470 grams saved over stock wheels. That's 1 pound. Even if I accept your 16.5lb weight, there are only about 230 grams to go with the saddle, stem, and bars.
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Old 01-06-14, 01:39 PM   #27
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Hey Pcad....how's the ride on that Foil of yours. I have a 2011 Scott CR1, have been looking, just looking at the 13' Foil 10 (6800 Ultegra I think). From all the reviews I've read, it's a great go fast bike, but you're going to feel every little niggle there is on the road. Would you consider that accurate? I don't race but like doing faster group rides with a group of guys around my area. I also love the looks of the Foil.
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Old 01-06-14, 03:44 PM   #28
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Hey Pcad....how's the ride on that Foil of yours. I have a 2011 Scott CR1, have been looking, just looking at the 13' Foil 10 (6800 Ultegra I think). From all the reviews I've read, it's a great go fast bike, but you're going to feel every little niggle there is on the road. Would you consider that accurate? I don't race but like doing faster group rides with a group of guys around my area. I also love the looks of the Foil.
I used to have a Foil. It's a very stiff, race-specific bike that gives you a great "rocket ship" feeling out of the saddle. I felt like King Kong on it in a sprint. The handling is also terrific, nice and tight but not darty. The front end is granite-solid in descents. It makes a great crit bike.

Downside: it rides as stiff as a bridge truss and will rattle the fillings out of your teeth. 80 miles + on this bike is rough for a civilian like me. The head tube is pretty short, this is not a compromising frame. Lastly, the seatpost clamp design is a little suspect (at least it was, has it been redesigned?)
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