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    Scott foil 15 vs ORBEA Orca silver

    hello im looking to buy a new bike and i can get both the foil 15 and the orbea silver both with ultegra di2 group set which one should i get help plz the price is exactly the same on both. I dont favor anyone I just want the best bike.
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    Do you favor either one a little more? Does color matter to you? Both are great bikes. How much of a price difference are the two you are looking at? Can you ride both? Have you?

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    answer

    hello the price is the same and I dont favor anyone. Which one would you get?

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    The weight weenie in me would go with the Foil. You can easily get that under 15lbs.
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    I ride only Orbea so I will remain silent because anything I say is bias
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    Foil, any-day. I owned a 15, my brother-in-law owns an Orbea; there is no comparison - IMHO

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    BTW- Which model Orca is it in the silver frame???
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    Quote Originally Posted by DXchulo View Post
    Foil. You can easily get that under 15lbs.
    No you can't, not with Ultegra Di2. You might get there with Zipp tubular wheels. Clinchers, forget about it. But the frame/fork is very light. My Foil with Williams 38 clincher/Powertap wheels and Dura Ace Di2 10 speed weighs 16 lbs on the nose. With Zipp 404 tubulars it might be closer to 15 lbs, but Ultegra Di2 is heavier than Dura Ace. You'd kind of have to go Sram Red mechanical, Zipp tubulars, and you'd probably be down in the 14.5 lb range. But tubulars are a pain in the ass and Di2 is so much better than Sram Red it's worth it (I ride both Di2 and Red on two different bicycles).

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    What do you want from the bike? I have ridden neither, but the Foil is touted to be a stiff bike with aero advantages, and the Orca is an all rounder, probably more "compliant". If you are racing, your style may favor one over the other. If you are the break away king, get the Foil. If you huddle in the pack, then the Foil has less advantage, and the less beat up feeling of the Orca may be better in the long run.

    I know and ride with people on both, and there is nary a bad word for either.
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    Depending what you want from the bike, the answer will be Orbea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mansram01 View Post
    Depending what you want from the bike, the answer will be Orbea.
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    The best part of Orbea is listening to Liggett and Sherwin pronouncing Euskaltel Euskadi.
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    Not having ridden either, but aesthetically I'd go with Scott. That's a mean looking machine. Orbea looks feminine to me, Scott more masculine power. Orbea Silver looks like what I'd expect a women's racing team be on if they were modeling for a magazine shoot, and Scott looks like something Cavendish should be using to destroy everyone.

    Scott Foil, looks mean, very aggressive, and should have a tag that says, will explode if your BMI is over 19.5 and moving slower than 28 MPH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zymphad View Post
    Not having ridden either, but aesthetically I'd go with Scott. That's a mean looking machine. Orbea looks feminine to me, Scott more masculine power. Orbea Silver looks like what I'd expect a women's racing team be on if they were modeling for a magazine shoot, and Scott looks like something Cavendish should be using to destroy everyone.

    Scott Foil, looks mean, very aggressive, and should have a tag that says, will explode if your BMI is over 19.5 and moving slower than 28 MPH.
    Darn. My BMI is 20.6 -_- typical American body.
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    I stopped at not having ridden either...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mansram01 View Post
    I stopped at not having ridden either...
    ROFL, the dude doesn't have a preference. So aesthetics is probably what's going to win out in choosing the bike. He doesn't prefer one or the other for ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
    No you can't, not with Ultegra Di2. You might get there with Zipp tubular wheels. Clinchers, forget about it. But the frame/fork is very light. My Foil with Williams 38 clincher/Powertap wheels and Dura Ace Di2 10 speed weighs 16 lbs on the nose. With Zipp 404 tubulars it might be closer to 15 lbs, but Ultegra Di2 is heavier than Dura Ace. You'd kind of have to go Sram Red mechanical, Zipp tubulars, and you'd probably be down in the 14.5 lb range. But tubulars are a pain in the ass and Di2 is so much better than Sram Red it's worth it (I ride both Di2 and Red on two different bicycles).
    I never said it would be cheap. You may not like it, but buying light wheels is pretty easy. So is swapping the stem, bars, and saddle. Point is, the frame is very good for the price.

    I know to take the manufacturer's weights with a grain of salt, but the complete bike is listed at 15.86 lbs. The stock wheels are 1770 grams, so there is a lot of weight to shed there. If you want to get super crazy you can shed over 650 grams (1.4lbs) with wheels alone. Getting down to 1300 is somewhat reasonable, and that's 1 pound right there.

    Can't find the weights on the bars, stem, and saddle with a quick and dirty search, but I'm willing to bet there is an easy savings of 75-100 grams on the saddle alone.

    It would be a lot easier with Red, but Red isn't necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by buffalowings View Post
    Darn. My BMI is 20.6 -_- typical American body.
    Hmmmmm, your screen name here does not have anything to do with that does it????
    I am just a spoke in a broken wheel!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mansram01 View Post
    Depending what you want from the bike, the answer will be Orbea.
    Awesome!
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    they are completely different bikes. no way you can test ride them and not notice a difference and therefore have a preference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DXchulo View Post
    I never said it would be cheap. You may not like it, but buying light wheels is pretty easy. So is swapping the stem, bars, and saddle. Point is, the frame is very good for the price.

    I know to take the manufacturer's weights with a grain of salt, but the complete bike is listed at 15.86 lbs. The stock wheels are 1770 grams, so there is a lot of weight to shed there. If you want to get super crazy you can shed over 650 grams (1.4lbs) with wheels alone. Getting down to 1300 is somewhat reasonable, and that's 1 pound right there.

    Can't find the weights on the bars, stem, and saddle with a quick and dirty search, but I'm willing to bet there is an easy savings of 75-100 grams on the saddle alone.

    It would be a lot easier with Red, but Red isn't necessary.
    You can wipe your ass with weights from bike company websites. Always cheat to the light side, never include cages, pedals (I always weigh my bikes with cages/pedals). So the stock bike is realistically closer to 16.5 lbs the day you put your pedals/cages on and pedal off. Getting there with Ultegra is a pain.

    You said it would be 'easy'. If I have to change over half the components and plop down a grand for Zipp 404 tubulars used (and deal with tubular tires after that), that's not 'easy'.

    There is no more persistent rampant bull**** on the 41 than bicycle weight discussions.

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    My pal has a Scott Foil with the lighter CF (the top line frame) with Red 10 speed and Zipp 404 tubulars, his bike weighs like 14.6 lbs for real. So it can be done, but going from an Ultegra Di2 version of the Foil (which may well have the slightly heavier Foil frame with the cheaper carbon) isn't cheap or easy.

    Besides, once you're down to 16 lbs, you're close enough for rock n roll. Eat fewer Twinkies and train more you idiots.

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    patentcad is right.............weights on bike websites are misleading! After my Orbea Orca came in and I finished converting over to Force and added pedals and cages and my one H2O bottle with tools and repair stuff to be on the bike and my full hydration bottle with the liquid of my choice I weigh the bike and that would make some cringe.............but that is the actual weight then I ride! No voodoo math or science here............just factual weight! Add that to my 192 lbs. of body weight and there you go! Now my goal is to get to 185 lbs. of fighting weight! Have not been that size since high school and damned.........I am almost 44 years old so that will be great if I can.

    So don't get caught up in advertised weight but what style you will be riding and which bike feels best bottom line. Hell, I have seen folks that are great cyclist that can take a 1976 Schwinn 3 speed with a bananna seat and sissy bar and out run us! And those bikes tipped the scales at almost 40 lbs. with the real chrome fenders and steel frames! Man I miss those days back in the 70's when you just went out and rode for fun with the other kids in the neighborhood and nothing was a damned competition of swinging peckers to see who has the best!
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    Yeah, really, don't go by the websites, figure you gotta add 3/4 of a pound for pedals and water bottle cages at least. All those pro bikes that weigh under 15 lbs are top of the line frames, top of the line components, and tubular wheels/tires. Harder to get there with Ultegra, clinchers, etc. Hey, I have a pro bike (top of the line Foil frame), 10 speed Dura Ace Di2 and Dura Ace 9000 brakes, cranks, relatively light Williams 38 clinchers (with a G3 Powertap hub which is also pretty light) and that bike is 16 lbs, not 15. Zipp 404 tubulars would shave about 200 grams or so, I'd still be over 15 lbs. I'd have to save the other 200 grams with parts I don't want (like a less comfy saddle and/or handlebars I don't want or Sram Red which I really don't want).

    I have Sram Red on my rain bike. I mean the **** works, it's real light, but given a choice of what to ride, I GREATLY prefer Di2. No comparison. You ride Di2, it wrecks you for all this other crap.

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    Yesterday my 4yo son took my 16.5lb Scott bike and did a clean and jerk above his head (lift from top tube to up) to show he could lift it easier than lifting his Trek Trikester, which is approximately 35lbs. (he can lift the trek as well, just not over his head).

    Anyway, if my 4yo can lift a 61cm 16,5lb bike why do I gain from going lighter?

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