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    How could you tell the frame was a China frame? Honestly curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by canam73 View Post
    Ah, so your issue is that you make the mistake of thinking when people use the term 'open mold' on BF in relation to carbon parts they are incorrectly shortening the technique of 'open molding' instead of using a common description of molds that are owned by the manufacturer and available for production runs. You should get over that.
    I don't know about Rollie, but my "issue" is that "open mold" is commonly used on the 41 to mean:

    1. OEM parts sold direct, like Gigantex rims
    2. Parts made from designs and tooling owned by manufacturers sold to multiple customers specializing in branding and retailing
    3. Fakes of dubious provenance
    4. Various other "interpretations"

    Part of the reason people tend to think all of these products are the same is that people are using a single term for them and confusing the issue.
    Telemachus has, indeed, sneezed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by halfspeed View Post
    I don't know about Rollie, but my "issue" is that "open mold" is commonly used on the 41 to mean:

    1. OEM parts sold direct, like Gigantex rims
    2. Parts made from designs and tooling owned by manufacturers sold to multiple customers specializing in branding and retailing
    3. Fakes of dubious provenance
    4. Various other "interpretations"

    Part of the reason people tend to think all of these products are the same is that people are using a single term for them and confusing the issue.
    Well, if you are going to fix everyone on BF of using inaccurate/incomplete terminology shouldn't you start with something like "alloy"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hhnngg1 View Post
    How could you tell the frame was a China frame? Honestly curious.
    The seatpost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by canam73 View Post
    Well, if you are going to fix everyone on BF of using inaccurate/incomplete terminology shouldn't you start with something like "alloy"?
    Everybody uses "alloy" the same incorrect way. So there's no confusion.
    Telemachus has, indeed, sneezed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by halfspeed View Post
    Everybody uses "alloy" the same incorrect way. So there's no confusion.
    So unanimous wrongs make a right?

    Are you Karl Rove?

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    I have zero issues with "open mold". Apparently, failed humor is failed. And only my mom calls me Rollie.

    #harrumph
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    While we're on the topic where could I get some good open mold alloy wheels?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPK79 View Post
    While we're on the topic where could I get some good open mold alloy wheels?
    I would have said Neuvation, but they closed so I guess the Performance Titan is now an exclusive. I dunno how that fits in halfspeed's definitions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPK79 View Post
    While we're on the topic where could I get some good open mold alloy wheels?
    If you just want wheels to thrash there's Aksiums which can be had for less than $200, Fulcrum 7, Performance Titan among others are dirt cheap.

    If you want somewhat nice you can always buy some H Plus Son Archetype rims, Novatec hubs, and Sapim laser spokes and have them built for around $400 total for a ~1550g wheel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gus6464 View Post
    If you just want wheels to thrash there's Aksiums which can be had for less than $200, Fulcrum 7, Performance Titan among others are dirt cheap.

    If you want somewhat nice you can always buy some H Plus Son Archetype rims, Novatec hubs, and Sapim laser spokes and have them built for around $400 total for a ~1550g wheel.
    I could be wrong, but I think he was just trying to use open mold and alloy in the same sentence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by canam73 View Post
    I could be wrong, but I think he was just trying to use open mold and alloy in the same sentence.
    Ding!

    I just bought some vueltas mid-season last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by canam73 View Post
    So unanimous wrongs make a right?
    No, they make it "not confusing".

    Are you Karl Rove?
    No. I'm James Carville.
    Telemachus has, indeed, sneezed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RollCNY View Post
    I have zero issues with "open mold". Apparently, failed humor is failed. And only my mom calls me Rollie.

    #harrumph
    Got me. I'm not James Carville. I'm Rollie's mom.
    Telemachus has, indeed, sneezed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by halfspeed View Post
    No, they make it "not confusing".



    No. I'm James Carville.
    Ok, but I want to go back to your list.

    The wheels on the chinarello could have been Gigantex rims sold to a wheel manufacturer who re-branded them and sold them to a customer who slapped some stickers on them to create fake Boras. Since we don't know if that is the case or something else I interpret their provenance to be dubious.

    Therefore we have qualified on 4 of your 4 definitions and without doubt do indeed have open mold carbon wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by halfspeed View Post
    Everybody uses "alloy" the same incorrect way. So there's no confusion.

    technically any metal bike is an 'alloy' bike if you want my opinion on it.

    Titanium, Aluminum.... steel... doesn't matter, they're all alloys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cderalow View Post
    technically any metal bike is an 'alloy' bike if you want my opinion on it.

    Titanium, Aluminum.... steel... doesn't matter, they're all alloys.
    I think you just illustrated his point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by canam73 View Post
    Ok, but I want to go back to your list.

    The wheels on the chinarello could have been Gigantex rims sold to a wheel manufacturer who re-branded them and sold them to a customer who slapped some stickers on them to create fake Boras. Since we don't know if that is the case or something else I interpret their provenance to be dubious.

    Therefore we have qualified on 4 of your 4 definitions and without doubt do indeed have open mold carbon wheels.
    Exactly. ""Open mold" is one of the most misused, confused and abused terms in the 41. You're better off not using it at all."
    Telemachus has, indeed, sneezed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by halfspeed View Post
    Exactly. ""Open mold" is one of the most misused, confused and abused terms in the 41. You're better off not using it at all."
    So what is your definition?

    You might as well give one as people are not going to stop writing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cderalow View Post
    Titanium, Aluminum.... steel... doesn't matter, they're all alloys.
    "Let me understand. You've got the hen, the chicken, and the rooster..."

    "They're all chickens..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by cderalow View Post

    Titanium, Aluminum.... steel... doesn't matter, they're all alloys.
    In regards to bike frames, yes. But as a stand alone sentence, steel is the only alloy of the three. Titanium and aluminum are chemical elements.

    So for clarity, from this day hence bicycle frames must be properly referenced as "titanium alloy", "aluminum alloy", or "steel". So let it be written. So let it be done.

    Edit: those uncomfortable with "steel" have permission to use "iron alloy" in its stead.
    Last edited by RollCNY; 01-09-14 at 02:47 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RollCNY View Post
    In regards to bike frames, yes. But as a stand alone sentence, steel is the only alloy of the three. Titanium and aluminum are chemical elements.

    So for clarity, from this day hence bicycle frames must be properly referenced as "titanium alloy", "aluminum alloy", or "steel". So let it be written. So let it be done.
    I'd agree whole heartedly, but it would confuse the masses of non-chemical and metallurgically unawares folks.

    I default to including the word alloy after both anyway since they're rarely found or used in strictly raw chemical form.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPK79 View Post
    While we're on the topic where could I get some good open mold alloy wheels?
    I have some openly moldy alloy wheels from the old-days. Spiderwebs included.
    Last edited by Homebrew01; 01-09-14 at 03:04 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cderalow View Post

    I default to including the word alloy after both anyway since they're rarely found or used in strictly raw chemical form.
    This is exciting stuff, and I will hence forth call my steel Single Speed my iron alloy Single Speed. I believe I have just discovered a new goal.
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    You should have taken a pic if you intended to start a thread about it.

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