Well I just could not pass it up 2013 and it has the threaded BB which I still think is the best overall for what works well. It sure looks good and I hope it rides well. I have 2 full carbon bikes now that ride great but just had to try a different one. I am riding a motorbecane immortal spirit with dura ace 7800 and it really rides well and I have gotten 8200 miles on it with no problems. I just figure if this is not directly I am hope it will be a very good frame and ride. Will report when I get it probably not till late next week. I would like to hear from any who have one of these although I have read the recent post.