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    Quote Originally Posted by petermk View Post
    No, I have Ultegra 6700. Campy Zonda comes with Campy or Shimano freehubs. I ordered the Shimano version, of course.
    http://www.wiggle.com/campagnolo-zon...cher-wheelset/
    Good. I'm glad I'm wrong! At one time Campy didn't want Shimano freehubs to be associated with their own brand wheels and that's why they introduced the Fulcrum line. Well, at least that is the urban legend.

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    I'm going to throw a weird one out, but recently looked at these and thought they were pretty nice. What about Rolf Prima Echelons? They are cool looking, IMHO. A bunch of the riders in my area ride them and they all seem to like them. I bought a set of Vigor RSs and find them to be well made and ride really nice. Wider rim and more $ than the Echelons though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RJM View Post
    I'm going to throw a weird one out, but recently looked at these and thought they were pretty nice. What about Rolf Prima Echelons? They are cool looking, IMHO. A bunch of the riders in my area ride them and they all seem to like them. I bought a set of Vigor RSs and find them to be well made and ride really nice. Wider rim and more $ than the Echelons though.
    On a Rivendell? Perish the thought. Paired spokes? Not on any bike.
    Telemachus has, indeed, sneezed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rpenmanparker View Post
    Good. I'm glad I'm wrong! At one time Campy didn't want Shimano freehubs to be associated with their own brand wheels and that's why they introduced the Fulcrum line. Well, at least that is the urban legend.
    I thought it was the other way around; Fulcrum was introduced to have Campy parts on a Shimano bike without it seeming out of place. Like when Mazda buys a transmission from Toyota, it's branded "Aisin".
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    Quote Originally Posted by rpenmanparker View Post
    Good. I'm glad I'm wrong! At one time Campy didn't want Shimano freehubs to be associated with their own brand wheels and that's why they introduced the Fulcrum line. Well, at least that is the urban legend.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bah Humbug View Post
    I thought it was the other way around; Fulcrum was introduced to have Campy parts on a Shimano bike without it seeming out of place. Like when Mazda buys a transmission from Toyota, it's branded "Aisin".

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    I did say something different there - vendor's desire vs customer's desire. But, whatever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bah Humbug View Post
    I did say something different there - vendor's desire vs customer's desire. But, whatever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bah Humbug View Post
    I thought it was the other way around; Fulcrum was introduced to have Campy parts on a Shimano bike without it seeming out of place. Like when Mazda buys a transmission from Toyota, it's branded "Aisin".
    I think we're saying the same thing. It is just a little turned around. Campy didn't want to put a Shimano freehub on a Campy wheel product the same as Mazda doesn't want people to see a Toyota part on a Mazda product, but they did want to sell Campy wheels to Shimano owners. So they call the wheels that carry the Shimano freehub, Fulcrum and avoid the loss of face (big thing in Japan).

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    Quote Originally Posted by halfspeed View Post
    On a Rivendell? Perish the thought. Paired spokes? Not on any bike.
    Hell yeah, bike rocks with them. I wouldn't stick them on my other riv though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RJM View Post
    Hell yeah, bike rocks with them. I wouldn't stick them on my other riv though.
    Rivendells do not rock; they jamboree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rpenmanparker View Post
    I think we're saying the same thing. It is just a little turned around. Campy didn't want to put a Shimano freehub on a Campy wheel product the same as Mazda doesn't want people to see a Toyota part on a Mazda product, but they did want to sell Campy wheels to Shimano owners. So they call the wheels that carry the Shimano freehub, Fulcrum and avoid the loss of face (big thing in Japan).
    Except Campy is the supplier in this situation, like Toyota. Turned around, like you said. Whichever it is, I'm seriously bored. I wish this would all stop though; sick of figuring out who Roval and Oval and Vision and so on really are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bah Humbug View Post
    Except Campy is the supplier in this situation, like Toyota. Turned around, like you said. Whichever it is, I'm seriously bored. I wish this would all stop though; sick of figuring out who Roval and Oval and Vision and so on really are.
    It's all made in China, at the same plant even.

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    Quote Originally Posted by canam73 View Post
    Rivendells do not rock; they jamboree.
    That is sig worthy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by canam73 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by canam73 View Post
    Rivendells do not rock; they jamboree.
    They're Boy Scouts?
    Telemachus has, indeed, sneezed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by halfspeed View Post
    They're Boy Scouts?
    1. a carousal; any noisy merrymaking.
    2. a festive gathering, often including speeches and entertainment.
    3. a party or spree.

    Although I think the dude in the ditch is a young Grant Peterson:

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