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    Quote Originally Posted by joe932 View Post
    You don't like slang like "brifter" but you like slang like "fred".

    By the way, are you a cat 2 racer?
    Oh contrare, mon ami, I quite enjoy slang but 'brifter' isn't being passed off here as slang. It is being touted as superior jargon to the well established word shifter.

    I think I have made my position clear as to why I think it is utter fail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joe932 View Post
    Whatever. I dont know why you need to be so argumentative. My video agrees with you that racers need brifters. My point is that non-racers do just fine with downtube shifters. They just need to go on about 10 rides with them before they are competent with them.
    I am not being argumentative. I am just disagreeing with you on a single point of terminology (and if it weren't for anonymous arguments and porn what good would the interwebz be?).

    I do believe that DT shifters are simple, easy to service and probably work just fine for many recreational riders. But honestly, I would rather have a newb rider keep their hands on the bars to shift that have them take one hand off (usually their right, dominant hand) to reach down to shift while weaving all over the MUP.

    For an intitiate, integrated shifting is far friendlier and easier to use. Olde farts like us would not have this issue and, outside of competitive situations could probably get along with DT shifters just fine.

    See, we do agree on this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Dopolina View Post
    But honestly, I would rather have a newb rider keep their hands on the bars to shift that have them take one hand off (usually their right, dominant hand) to reach down to shift while weaving all over the MUP.
    How do you expect them to reach for their water bottle then? How do you expect them to wipe glass off their tires? How do you expect them to reach for food from their jersey pocket?

    And a new rider should master shifting before riding in a group.

    Anyway, we agree to disagree. No harm done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RPK79 View Post
    Remember when this was about a guy trying to choose between a bike with DT shifters and a bike with an integrated shifter and brake lever combination? Yeah, that was, like, two weeks ago...
    I hope he finds his way back with a report on that bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Motolegs View Post
    I hope he finds his way back with a report on that bike.
    He bought the bike with DT. I'm sure he'll be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joe932 View Post
    How do you expect them to reach for their water bottle then? How do you expect them to wipe glass off their tires? How do you expect them to reach for food from their jersey pocket?

    And a new rider should master shifting before riding in a group.

    Anyway, we agree to disagree. No harm done.
    They usually stop to eat or drink.

    I fully agree that these are basic skills that should be mastered by all.

    "Glass? What glass? I didn't see any glass...Why is my tire so squishy? Oh look, ducks."
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    I live in central California. We have horrible goathead thorns out here. Glass is the least of my concerns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjones28 View Post
    I'm pretty sure that if I walk into a bike shop and ask for a set of Dura-Ace shifters they are going to be thinking...

    this:



    not this

    If I walked into one of my local shops that deal equally in high-dollar road and tri bikes they wouldn't be certain which I meant.
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    ^^^ Sorry, integrated shifters comprise 90%+ of the non mass merchant road bike market. DT shifters are a niche product on new bikes.
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    He's probably thinking of Dura Ace bar ends for triathletes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joe932 View Post
    He's probably thinking of Dura Ace bar ends for triathletes.
    Which were replaced by DT shifter 20 years ago and Di2 buttons in the last few years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joe932 View Post
    I live in central California. We have horrible goathead thorns out here. Glass is the least of my concerns.

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    I've never had to deal with those. I can see how they would be a huge PITA.
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    Goatheads. Ugh. The bane of my childhood. Like stepping on a thumb tack. They'd punch right through your callouses on your feet. Fester. Ugh.

    Ok, so perfect thread to ask this. WTF does STI stand for, anyway? Single Tap Integrated?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Long Tom View Post
    Goatheads. Ugh. The bane of my childhood. Like stepping on a thumb tack. They'd punch right through your callouses on your feet. Fester. Ugh.

    Ok, so perfect thread to ask this. WTF does STI stand for, anyway? Single Tap Integrated?
    Shimano Total Integration.

    http://techdocs.shimano.com/media/te...9830609300.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by joe932 View Post
    I live in central California. We have horrible goathead thorns out here. Glass is the least of my concerns.

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    Somehow those look nastier than the Colorado variety. Longer growing season??

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    You guys still arguing ?? Jeeesh
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    Quote Originally Posted by redlude97 View Post
    there are plenty of guys that show up to some of the group rides that with DT/barends/retroshifts that I have no problem riding with, and subsequently plenty with brifters that I not sit behind. I just thought it was funny that he posted a video showing how "easy" it was with so much poor execution

    Those retroshifters seem pretty cool, might have to try a pair sometime.


    My main point is if you are racing and training to race, you should probably go with the equipment level that everybody else has. It seems like a better, more logical choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Motolegs View Post
    Somehow those look nastier than the Colorado variety. Longer growing season??
    Not sure. The photo is a stock photo, but they are indeed that long here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPK79 View Post
    Remember when this was about a guy trying to choose between a bike with DT shifters and a bike with an integrated shifter and brake lever combination? Yeah, that was, like, two weeks ago...
    OP here, and I know! But while I've made my decision awhile ago, this ongoing thread is very entertaining!

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    I'm actually buying the bike with DT's in about a month (college budget...yay), but I borrowed a buddy's bike with indexed DT's and rode it for about a week and loved it. The test rides sold me on the DT's, really looking forward to having my own!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdowdy411 View Post
    I'm actually buying the bike with DT's in about a month (college budget...yay), but I borrowed a buddy's bike with indexed DT's and rode it for about a week and loved it. The test rides sold me on the DT's, really looking forward to having my own!
    My Cannondale build will have era 7sp indexed Shimano DT levers. I also have a bike with 6sp Suntour Accushift. I'm spoiled by SIS but dont mind friction, either.
    Having a flat tire as part of the total cycling experience is highly overrated. Knowing how to fix one quickly is not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Motolegs View Post
    Somehow those look nastier than the Colorado variety. Longer growing season??
    ...I've never seen Tribulus terrestris in Colorado, but given the Mediterranean origin, our climate is probably better suited to its full potential.
    I'm trying to spread the word that it is a traditional male aphrodisiac back in those regions, in hopes that some of it will disappear here.
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    The question is largely irrelevant. STI is so cheap and plentiful there's no reason to avoid it.

    I have a 1980s trek pro series with downtube friction shifters. It doesn't slow me down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3alarmer View Post
    ...I've never seen Tribulus terrestris in Colorado.
    That's because it's legal to smoke here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jiggle View Post
    The question is largely irrelevant. STI is so cheap and plentiful there's no reason to avoid it.
    Actually, there is.

    OP didn't have enough scratch to buy good STI and he would have limited his upgrade options. So a number of people advised that he get good DT instead.

    If I left my bikes parked on racks, I'd definitely go DT rather than the 6700 and Rival I run on my road bikes.

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