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    I ride with a guy rockin' DT's on a RB2... indeed, he must anticipate his shifts to an exponentially greater degree than me with my brifters. He also has to "break position" to shift. Doesn't stop him, but it does mean he's often a gear off from ideal, and those are his words. Also, if you like to climb, with brifters you can easily switch gears (2 gears, actually) when going from sitting to standing, while in the motion of changing position! Again, when climbing with my buddy he is typically not in the ideal gear if it's a climb that is long enough that there's some sit/stand switches happening. So he's generally mashing harder than ideal while sitting.

    My conclusion? Brifters are better. Then again having done thousands of miles with this guy, clearly DT's work. Just not as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sleepy View Post
    Because roadies are getting weak and lazy?

    Can't ride heavy bikes. Must be light.

    Sprockets must go over 9. Can't wait to see it go to 20 in the back.

    Shifting has to be on brifters-and eventually, digital.

    Absolutely must have some sort of guide to show them how far their riding, or how hard they should push.

    Eventually, drugs are involved.

    I mean, yes it all helps. But really, why not just slap a motor and engine in the back? How did those folks ride those ancient iron velocipedes back in the day? Barbarians!
    My thoughts exactly. All those whining little sissies in their fancy duds on their high tech bikes really give biking a bad name. How about when they start talking about "suffering" - don't you just love it!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Long Tom View Post
    I ride with a guy rockin' DT's on a RB2... indeed, he must anticipate his shifts to an exponentially greater degree than me with my brifters. He also has to "break position" to shift. Doesn't stop him, but it does mean he's often a gear off from ideal, and those are his words. Also, if you like to climb, with brifters you can easily switch gears (2 gears, actually) when going from sitting to standing, while in the motion of changing position! Again, when climbing with my buddy he is typically not in the ideal gear if it's a climb that is long enough that there's some sit/stand switches happening. So he's generally mashing harder than ideal while sitting.

    My conclusion? Brifters are better. Then again having done thousands of miles with this guy, clearly DT's work. Just not as well.
    Heh.
    I love climbing. I've just started riding on DT's. I've done some steep inclines, and it's kind of hard, but I'm digging it. I'm looking forward to taking up some long climbs this weekend, see how that works. I mean, I've usually stuck to one gear ratio and spin up, so I'm not anticipating any problems...

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    You guys have convinced me. I'm going to scour eBay and set my bike up with these:

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    Quote Originally Posted by iamtim View Post
    You guys have convinced me. I'm going to scour eBay and set my bike up with these:

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    Low maintenance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPK79 View Post
    Low maintenance.
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    All you retrogrouches should be riding single speed for the true spirit of the hard men

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    Quote Originally Posted by redlude97 View Post
    all you retrogrouches should be riding fixed gear for the true spirit of the hard men
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    Quote Originally Posted by sleepy View Post
    Heh.
    I love climbing. I've just started riding on DT's. I've done some steep inclines, and it's kind of hard, but I'm digging it. I'm looking forward to taking up some long climbs this weekend, see how that works. I mean, I've usually stuck to one gear ratio and spin up, so I'm not anticipating any problems...
    Sitting vs. standing is 2 gears apart for me; YMMV of course. I'm nursing 48 year old knees and love to climb, so "not mashing" is pretty high on my priority list. Again, YMMV. Brifters are way, way better on a steep climb IF you, like me, want to shift gears between sitting and standing. Way, WAY, lol.

    But if you take steep climbs out of the question, and recall that the OP's choice was bottom of the line brifters vs. downtube without mention of climbing (some hate climbing), then I suppose it's much more debateable.

    I'm wondering where Bdop is, with his burning hatred of the word "brifters".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Long Tom View Post
    But if you take steep climbs out of the question, and recall that the OP's choice was bottom of the line brifters vs. downtube without mention of climbing (some hate climbing), then I suppose it's much more debateable.
    The main purpose of the bike will be commuting and some joy-riding, but there are only small hills where I'll be commuting so climbing isn't an issue.

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    I usually like to just set to the lowest gear and go when going up short steep climbs.

    But imo, the OP is better served by starting with DT shifters and going from there. More simple, cheaper, and there's the benefit of learnig to work with gears.

    I too, loathe the word "brifter".

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    Brifters vs. Downtube shifters

    Downtube shifters, centerpull brakes, rat trap pedals, i'm all in. I'm contemplating putting a ultra six speed freewheel on my sew-up wheels, but that may be too high tech for me. I like a true 10 speed.
    Whats a brifter?

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    real commuters use bar ends

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    Quote Originally Posted by Long Tom View Post
    I'm wondering where Bdop is, with his burning hatred of the word "brifters".
    I was thinking that exact same thing! He probably saw the title of the thread and pitched his monitor out the window.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iamtim View Post
    You guys have convinced me. I'm going to scour eBay and set my bike up with these:

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    Quote Originally Posted by iamtim View Post
    Well, when all riders are omniscient as you must be, then it won't be a concern.
    Wow. Little late here on my part, but you don't know where you're going?

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    I still can't get why anyone would advocate spending an extra $50 for crippled cheap brifters when that's almost half way to the cost of pretty decent non-crippled ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by achoo View Post
    I still can't get why anyone would advocate spending an extra $50 for crippled cheap brifters when that's almost half way to the cost of pretty decent non-crippled ones.
    That's too bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chaadster View Post
    That's too bad.
    Ahh, low standards. Explains a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by achoo View Post
    I still can't get why anyone would advocate spending an extra $50 for crippled cheap brifters when that's almost half way to the cost of pretty decent non-crippled ones.
    Because that's what are already on the bike. No one is suggesting to buy 2300 shifters separately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sleepy View Post
    Because roadies are getting weak and lazy?

    Can't ride heavy bikes. Must be light.

    Sprockets must go over 9. Can't wait to see it go to 20 in the back.

    Shifting has to be on brifters-and eventually, digital.

    Absolutely must have some sort of guide to show them how far their riding, or how hard they should push.

    Eventually, drugs are involved.

    I mean, yes it all helps. But really, why not just slap a motor and engine in the back? How did those folks ride those ancient iron velocipedes back in the day? Barbarians!
    With time Man improves technology and yet some folks think the old way is better. Brifters are better than down tubes!

    PS when was the last time you saw a bike racer with down tube shifters? Do you still watch TV on a tube instead of a flat screen, or still using a radio or just reading the news paper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by v70cat View Post
    With time Man improves technology and yet some folks think the old way is better. Brifters are better than down tubes!

    PS when was the last time you saw a bike racer with down tube shifters? Do you still watch TV on a tube instead of a flat screen, or still using a radio or just reading the news paper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by v70cat View Post
    With time Man improves technology and yet some folks think the old way is better. Brifters are better than down tubes!

    PS when was the last time you saw a bike racer with down tube shifters? Do you still watch TV on a tube instead of a flat screen, or still using a radio or just reading the news paper.
    This guy....

    Cycling doesn't revolve around racing. Shocking, I know.


    If you just want to ride around, there is something to be said for DT shifter; maintenance, cost, simplicity. It provides a useful learning curve.

    Its kind of fun, too.
    Granted, I've just started riding on 7 speed index after losing my shifters on my nice bike. I just did a climb heavy 60 mile ride today. Honestly, I did find myself reaching for paddles that weren't there at the climbing variances, but I got used to it, and was enjoying just riding and shifting when needed.

    I'm sure when I embark on my pro roadie career, I'll be selling my kidney for Carbon wi-fi 30 speed shifters before they go obsolete, but for now Imma just goan ride my bike and have fun. Eventually, I'll have enough bread to get some shifters for the weekend warrior rig, but right now it's all A-OK style with the down tubes.

    Learning to balance when shifting is fun! Try it sometime.

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