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Old 03-13-14, 08:27 AM   #51
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buying used wheels on ebay is as sketch as buying Chinese wheels. Never know what you're gonna get.
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Push your budget to about $1200 and get some Boyd wheels. Much better hubs, spokes, rim profile.
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Push your budget to about $1200 and get some Boyd wheels. Much better hubs, spokes, rim profile.
You could be right on the rim profile. But many of these companies sell wheels with CX ray spokes and either Bitex or Novatec hubs. Boyd uses cx ray spokes and used to have Bitex, but they have switched to a proprietary design that includes the 11 speed compatibility and has better geometry than the Bitex. But they are still being produced by one of the Taiwanese companies out of similar materials and bearings.

Now, if you were going to say better built and better nipples (Boyd uses brass instead of the AL on most of these), you would be making a better case.
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Here's a set of Chinese carbon wheels (clincher) that I had built up just last week. A local buddy/wheel builder built these for me using the rims he sourced over seas, Industry Nine hubs, and bladed CX spokes. The total weight came in just over 1500 grams for the pair. The quality of the rim looked excellent. They are the U/toridal shape, 25mm width, and same height as the 303's. The braking surface on these are slightly textured, not sure what you'd call that. The spoke holes were molded, not drilled.

Are there potentially poor quality rims out there, most certainly. Doesn't mean that all are bad.

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Here's a set of Chinese carbon wheels (clincher) that I had built up just last week. A local buddy/wheel builder built these for me using the rims he sourced over seas, Industry Nine hubs, and bladed CX spokes. The total weight came in just over 1500 grams for the pair. The quality of the rim looked excellent. They are the U/toridal shape, 25mm width, and same height as the 303's. The braking surface on these are slightly textured, not sure what you'd call that. The spoke holes were molded, not drilled.

Are there potentially poor quality rims out there, most certainly. Doesn't mean that all are bad.

Judge for yourself.
Many of the possible issues with carbon rims would never be visible under a visual inspection of the exterior. Even if the actual design of the rim is sound you would not be able to tell if the lay up was done properly and is void free. Or if they substituted a lesser grade of carbon or resin.

I gamble myself on this in riding some Yishin carbon tubular rims, but I don't kid myself that the lack of an obvious visible manufacturing flaw somehow guarantees their quality or my safety.
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You could be right on the rim profile. But many of these companies sell wheels with CX ray spokes and either Bitex or Novatec hubs. Boyd uses cx ray spokes and used to have Bitex, but they have switched to a proprietary design that includes the 11 speed compatibility and has better geometry than the Bitex. But they are still being produced by one of the Taiwanese companies out of similar materials and bearings.

Now, if you were going to say better built and better nipples (Boyd uses brass instead of the AL on most of these), you would be making a better case.
good point Canam. i would love to have some Chris King hubs but they are expensive and will drive the price up a bit. The more that I read about the Boyd wheels, the more I like them, particularly since they are not $3000.
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I have never sprung for Kings, I topped out with Dura Ace and White Industries. I like them both quite a bit, but I have to admit the wheels I have with Novatec and Bitex hubs have not performed worse in any noticeable way other than some scoring in the Bitex hub driver.

With 11 speed, I think Boyd's offers as good a geometry as possible. If they offer a wheel that you like otherwise, I wouldn't hesitate.
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Actually thinking about selling my 404 tubs and build a pair of carbon clinchers from China using CK hubs.

2013 AERO carbon wheels

I had a pair of the early Yishun 50mm carbon clinchers. I bought them before the whole "China carbon" thing got big. I rode them for about a year. Sold them to a friend and he rode them for about a year...and eventually delaminated them on a long descent. This is an earlier wheel...around 2009 sometime. Take that with a grain of salt. He the guy that breaks things...and you go...how did you manage to do that?

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...The spoke holes were molded, not drilled...
Who the heck in China is molding spoke holes? Link please.
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Hi, I found a lot of commens and reviews (here and elsewhere) on the 38 mm Farsports carbon clinchers but did not find more on their 24 mm wheels. Has anyone bought them? Also hesitating between the 20.8 and 23 mm wide...
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thought i would update this thread with my Yeoleo experience. bought two rims online for about $300 via Paypal. after passing the advertised time for shipment, i sent a polite email asking if there was some problem. to their credit, they responded promptly. the response stated that the rims would be shipped by the end of the week and they would email me the tracking number. (it was Wednesday). the next Monday i had received no email so i filed a "dispute" with Paypal. i sent another email to Yeoleo, stating that i had filed a dispute and that i would like them to reverse the payment and cancel the order. again, to their credit, they responded back that day with an email that stated that the rims had been shipped, but they didn't have the tracking number yet, and would send it in an email the next day. i escalated the "dispute" to a "claim". Paypal's claim process noted that they would wait on a response from the seller for two weeks.

... time passes.

two weeks later, having received nothing from Yeoleo, i contacted Paypal, and they informed me that no response from the seller to the "dispute" or "claim" had ever been made to Paypal despite three emails from Paypal to the seller requesting information.

the Paypal agent refunded my payment immediately.

the entire process from payment to refund dated from July 3, 2014 to July 25, 2014.

i should note, that after years of having no difficulty with online purchases, i've had to make two additional "claims" in the last two months to Paypal in order to have payments reversed for purchases never delivered, or even shipped, by sites selling carbon frames and rims. one, an ebay seller with the name of "cycling-cycling" never shipped but marked it as such on ebay and even went to the trouble of creating a fictitious tracking number. surprisingly, they sent me an email stating such after the "claim" was filed with Paypal. another ebay seller "etatime" marked the item as "shipped" (no tracking number), but never shipped.

caveat emptor.

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^^^ Strange.

Yoeleo is one of the companies that gets mentioned alot. They are certainly more established than some eBay seller.
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Who the heck in China is molding spoke holes? Link please.
Well, that never materialized.
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^^^ Strange.

Yoeleo is one of the companies that gets mentioned alot. They are certainly more established than some eBay seller.
yes, i was surprised. it's not as if everyone has had this type of experience with them. i don't know whether or not you've seen them, but i find their youtube infomercials enjoyable to watch. and their product spokesperson in the videos i find attractive. i don't know whether it's those black horn-rimmed glasses or her accent. maybe both...
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yes, i was surprised. it's not as if everyone has had this type of experience with them. i don't know whether or not you've seen them, but i find their youtube infomercials enjoyable to watch. and their product spokesperson in the videos i find attractive. i don't know whether it's those black horn-rimmed glasses or her accent. maybe both...
Will check out.

Edit: very funny stuff!

"This is what you will get for such a wheel set. And now it is time to look at this wheel set."

Great production value. Sign me up!
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Got to say, I'm very suspiscuous of 38mm deep CF/AL clincher at 1350 grams for $600.
Even 1440 seems very questionable for AL/CF. I wouldn't trust that weight at all.
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Will check out.

Edit: very funny stuff!

"This is what you will get for such a wheel set. And now it is time to look at this wheel set."

Great production value. Sign me up!
cute, isn't she?
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Even 1440 seems very questionable for AL/CF. I wouldn't trust that weight at all.
Actually that's not so difficult.

Instead of seating the nipple in the carbon you make the carbon a non structural fairing (a la FLO) and seat the nipple in the alloy rim. This saves 1-2 layers of carbon and greatly reduces cost. And, if you start of with an alloy rim that isn't a complete pig, you can get the weight down quite a bit.
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cute, isn't she?
No. She's not ugly but she really isn't cute, either.

They could have helped her by giving her more real information to impart beyond the very surface description of the product. There was no information there I could get from the product description on their website.

Heck, they couldn't even be bothered to put their web address on the screen using free video software. I mean why bother when you can print it out on a piece of paper and dance it in front of a camera.

I hope they approach their R&D with more forethought.
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i have more info on Yoeleo, and thought it would be irresponsible of me not to share it.

in my previous post i noted, accurately, that the payment had been reversed by Paypal. within an hour of that reversal and after my previous post, i received an "shipped" email from Yoeleo (the first in over two weeks) that included a valid tracking number that when queried shows a package addressed to me that has passed through the sort process in Xiamen, China. sooooo...

i should say right off the bat, that i have no intention of not paying for the item, but OTOH i've yet to receive anything. so if and when i receive the package and it contains what i paid for, i will Paypal them the original amount. i expect delivery in a week or two. we'll see.

i don't know whether the shipping notice and the timing of the reversal or even possibly the recent post in this thread was just a coincidence or not. in any event, i'm pleased that i won't have to, once again, go through the purchasing process.

sort of a shock... i'm just glad i didn't jump the *** and purchase another set of rims earlier this morning, which was very possible.

edit: is g u n really censored? come ON, really?

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I ordered some wheels from DengFu a while back. They now have right under 4,000 miles on them. I have since purchased a PowerTap hub and replaced my rear hub with a PowerTap, keeping the DengFu rim. Very happy with my purchase. For anyone reading that might be interested, here is my experience.

PRODUCTS ORDERED AND TIME TO RECEIPT

Wheelset: 40mm clincher wheelset with U/Aero shape, 20/24 spoke count, UD Matte Finish, Novatec Hubs F482s and F291s,CN 424 spokes, shipped to the USA. Total to the door price was $522.00

Supplier: DengFu - Kathy Jin
First Email: 7/7/2013
Stated Specific Order: 7/9/2013
Paid via Paypal: 7/10/2013 (Kathy confirmed receipt the same day)
Received Tracking Number: 7/16/2013
Received in US Customs: 7/21/2013
On Doorstep: 7/23/2013

ORDERING

Ordering was simple and all done though email. As is stated on all the forums, but bears repeating, when ordering keep in mind that you are ordering from China and they are likely in a different time zone; don’t expect instantaneous responses to emails. There is also likely a language barrier, so be clear and specific. If you are not specific they may fill in the blanks for you and you may, or may not, like their choices. The order was sent by EMS. Once you have a tracking number that same number should work with USPS tracking - at least it did for me. My ordered showed going in and out of customs on the same day once they reached the USA.

UNPACKING, INITIAL IMPRESSIONS, WEIGHTS, AND MEASURES

The wheels were packaged very well and securely. There was no damage and in good condition. The front wheel weighed 655 grams and the rear weighed 809 grams without quick releases. The rims measured 25.40mm at the brake track and 27.28mm at the widest point on the rim. Rim depth is 40mm.

Both wheels spin true although the rear has a very slight, almost not noticeable, wobble which I will true up later and I have ridden the bike more. The rim stayed true until I replaced it with a PowerTap - that was my first and only wheel build and I had to re-true it once.

The brake pads were hard to put on because with the wider wheels I had very, very, little clearance with my older Sram Force brake calipers. I actually sanded the pads down a little bit to get just a millimeter more of clearance to work with.





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A friend of mine on the wrong side of 200# rides Chinese generic carbon wheels. He is very happy with them and has at least few thousand miles on them by now. I don't know which supplier. Had someone make a Specialized S-Works decal set for them and they match his bike.

I facepalmed when I saw that but: his money; his bike.
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Lucky you.

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That is the downside of ordering CF wheels from little-known suppliers. I have no intention of doing so. A friend has gotten good results but that's him.
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