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Old 03-11-14, 11:23 AM   #26
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Gee that's all you got!I would have expected something a little more intelligent than that,,admit it You can't afford DA DI2,and that's the true reason you settle for mechanical.That is more believable.Its like Power windows are nice,but I like to feel the crank in my hand,,yeah right!
Maybe he's doing it for the same reasons some still prefer to drive manual transmission vehicles. I for one, hate these clutch-less 'manumatic' systems now, and much prefer a traditional 5 or 6 speed with clutch and shifter.
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You are hard to relate to honestly. I would say the demographic is just the opposite. Guys with money don't ride Di2. My two richest friends don't for example. One friend rides a nice Cervelo with 16 houses...no Di2. Its why they have money. They don't spend it frivolously. But unlike you, I am a bit careful about stereotypes. For example I may be able to buy and sell you 5x's over....but maybe not. No doubt rich guys ride Di2 but honestly, it has nothing to do with my decision. I used Cancellara as a data point for example which you completely misinterpreted...what a surprise. Best rider on the planet...or in top three..has tested and can ride whatever he wants and he chooses DA 9000. Point is, DA 9000 maybe the best mechanical groupset ever created...perhaps even better than Super Record. Maybe, maybe not. Point is, its dam good and certainly good enough for this rider by far.
So please, take your stilted monkey talk and go ride your Di2 bike in an electrical storm and maybe you will come back with some sense at least.
Buy me 5xover,,,,haha I think not,,to each their own,,monkey see monkey do carry on and I don't wish you any harm ,be careful out there and enjoy the ride,,we do have one thing in common ,,,it's cycling,,so no hard feelings.
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You are hard to relate to honestly. I would say the demographic is just the opposite. Guys with money don't ride Di2. My two richest friends don't for example. One friend rides a nice Cervelo and owns 16 houses...yup...16...no Di2. Its why they have money. They don't spend it frivolously. But unlike you, I am a bit careful about stereotypes. For example I may be able to buy and sell you 5x's over....but maybe not. No doubt rich guys ride Di2 but honestly, it has nothing to do with my decision. I used Cancellara as a data point for example which you completely misinterpreted...what a surprise. Best rider on the planet...or in top three..has tested and can ride whatever he wants and he chooses DA 9000. Point is, DA 9000 maybe the best mechanical groupset ever created...perhaps even better than Super Record. Maybe, maybe not. Point is, its dam good and certainly good enough for this rider by far.
So please, take your stilted monkey talk and go ride your Di2 bike in an electrical storm and maybe you will come back with some sense at least.
Yep! You know there is a whole book written about this (bold) phenomenon titled, "The Millionaire Next Door". It is well documented that wealth is distributed to the greatest extent among those who do not spend frivolously.
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Buy me 5xover,,,,haha I think not,,to each their own,,monkey see monkey do carry on and I don't wish you any harm ,be careful out there and enjoy the ride,,we do have one thing in common ,,,it's cycling,,so no hard feelings.
Nah...no hard feelings. Its cycling which everybody here likes and not bad to have a choice between Di2 and DA 9000. I had a great ride today in fact...on Campy which ain't chopped liver either.
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Maybe he's doing it for the same reasons some still prefer to drive manual transmission vehicles. I for one, hate these clutch-less 'manumatic' systems now, and much prefer a traditional 5 or 6 speed with clutch and shifter.
Yep...somewhat related. Some and certainly far from all for example prefer a stick shift on the floor versus electric paddle shifters on the steering wheel. So I believe that is a fair analogy.
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One friend rides a nice Cervelo and owns 16 houses...yup...16...no Di2. Its why they have money. They don't spend it frivolously.
Yeah, buying 16 houses isn't frivolous!

I assume they are investment/rentals and not ones that he lives in
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Yeah, buying 16 houses isn't frivolous!

I assume they are investment/rentals and not ones that he lives in
Yup...lives in two...principle home + up north get away which btw we sometimes use for cycling venues.
Rest he rents and flips. I call him Trump lite. Great guy and a talented capitalist who loves cycling. No Di2. Rides DA 7800 in fact.
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Nothing wrong with being a traditionalist, as in DA 7800. Also nothing wrong with being an early adopter or technology-wh*re. Just two different, equal approaches to life. However, I am searching for a pic with a monkey riding a bike in an electrical storm....

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It's like anything else,a person cannot give an opinion about anything unless they've actually used and experienced both.Im currently using Ultegra DI2 and my other bike is 2013 sram red,while both are great and smooth in shifting,the electronic shifting is FAR SUPERIOR in its shifting both in response,load on the pedals,I've tried everything to trip it up and have not been able to.So because some racer uses mechanical,means nothing to me,,the monkey see monkey do analogy is not sensible to me.
Dunno how this thread about a Tarmac build evolved into a groupset challenge, but I'll play!

My opinion - currently own/ride DA7800 and Ult6700 on my CAAD10s - is that set-up plays a big part and mine both run exceptionally well.

I recently had the opportunity to test some new u-beaut bikes around a 10km test-loop in my local area (ie, decent rides up/down grades, etc) - DA90?? (electronic), DA9000, Ult6800 and UltDi2?? (electronic) and can honestly say that they all shifted as well as one another - subtle tactile differences of cable feedback vs electronic (no cable feedback) aside. Certainly, they all seemed a tad smoother than my own bikes, but not crazily so - there was no great difference in performance.

Whilst I will more than likely explore these 11-speed groupsets in the future, this testing didn't convince me to run out and upgrade too soon.

Dismissing the opinion of those who are not necessarily as convinced of the qualities of Di2 as you appear to be doesn't really validate your opinion.

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Dunno how this thread about a Tarmac build evolved into a groupset challenge, but I'll play!

My opinion - currently own/ride DA7800 and Ult6700 on my CAAD10s - is that set-up plays a big part and mine both run exceptionally well.

I recently had the opportunity to test some new u-beaut bikes around a 10km test-loop in my local area (ie, decent rides up/down grades, etc) - DA90?? (electronic), DA9000, Ult6800 and UltDi2?? (electronic) and can honestly say that they all shifted as well as one another - subtle tactile differences of cable feedback vs electronic (no cable feedback) aside. Certainly, they all seemed a tad smoother than my own bikes, but not crazily so - there was no great difference in performance.

Whilst I will more than likely explore these 11-speed groupsets in the future, this testing didn't convince me to run out and upgrade too soon.

Dismissing the opinion of those who are not necessarily as convinced of the qualities of Di2 as you appear to be doesn't really validate your opinion.

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As a guy who has ridden DA 7800 and worked on it a lot, it was and is very good. This is why DA 7900/6700 was such a disappointment...wasn't anywhere near as good as DA 7800. Then came DA 9000 and the magic is back...in fact probably best ever.

Other thing is, there have been accounts...I know this is heresy for electric shift lovers...where owners have switched back to mechanical after going Di2. Some believe there will be no more mechanical groupsets at some point, but I am unconvinced of this because of the reasons talked about.

Good to have options and with new bike tech for bicycle lovers, its never been a better time...few bad choices really.
Also OP, the frame is the heart and soul of a bike and your choice of Tarmac S-works is right up near the top. I am on the look out for one as well. Just don't want to pay retail....what my rich friends taught me.

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I recently had the opportunity to test some new u-beaut bikes around a 10km test-loop in my local area (ie, decent rides up/down grades, etc) - DA90?? (electronic), DA9000, Ult6800 and UltDi2?? (electronic) and can honestly say that they all shifted as well as one another - subtle tactile differences of cable feedback vs electronic (no cable feedback) aside. Certainly, they all seemed a tad smoother than my own bikes, but not crazily so - there was no great difference in performance.

I agree with you about the feeling of no great difference. I've got Di2, 7900, and recently had a borrowed bike with 9000. I really like the 9000 with 11 speed but it may be because it was brand new.

My experience with electronic is the benefits from come long time use. I was on a ride yesterday going fast on rolling hills with turns and lots of shifting. Just touching the buttons to shift constantly came like instinct. I liked the sensation.
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I agree with you about the feeling of no great difference. I've got Di2, 7900, and recently had a borrowed bike with 9000. I really like the 9000 with 11 speed but it may be because it was brand new.

My experience with electronic is the benefits from come long time use. I was on a ride yesterday going fast on rolling hills with turns and lots of shifting. Just touching the buttons to shift constantly came like instinct. I liked the sensation.
Staying in a steady and harder gear will make you a stronger rider. Kidding.

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I agree with you about the feeling of no great difference. I've got Di2, 7900, and recently had a borrowed bike with 9000. I really like the 9000 with 11 speed but it may be because it was brand new.

My experience with electronic is the benefits from come long time use. I was on a ride yesterday going fast on rolling hills with turns and lots of shifting. Just touching the buttons to shift constantly came like instinct. I liked the sensation.
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Any argument to use Roval more so since made for Specialized bikes?
In other words give it more kudos then if choosing it off the shelf for any bike since made for a Tarmac
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Staying in a steady and harder gear will make you a stronger rider. Kidding.
I like giving the battery some exercise too. Keeps those electrons in shape
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Any argument to use Roval more so since made for Specialized bikes?
In other words give it more kudos then if choosing it off the shelf for any bike since made for a Tarmac
No.
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If the choice was Dura Ace electronic and Enve 3.4 vs. Ultegra electronic and Rovals what would be suggested?
I can get bike at similar price with either combo so which offers better value (wheels or group set)?
To go with both DA and Enve is getting past the number I wanted to stay below
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If the choice was Dura Ace electronic and Enve 3.4 vs. Ultegra electronic and Rovals what would be suggested?
I can get bike at similar price with either combo so which offers better value (wheels or group set)?
To go with both DA and Enve is getting past the number I wanted to stay below
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To me wheelset choice trumps any small difference between DA and Ultegra Di2. But that said, both wheelset choices are fine as well.
I think personally I would go with DA Di2 + Rovals but no doubt Enve lovers will go the other way.
Great to have this kind of tough choice. Be sure to review the bike here when you get it.
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How similar are the prices if one puts you over budget and the other does not?

I think if you did a Pepsi challenge between those two setups, 90% of the riders wouldn't be able to tell a difference between the two, if not more. That said, the Ultegra/Roval combo will always looked down upon between the two simply because it has less prestige. Campag's suggestion is solid in that there's a bigger difference between the groups in question than the wheels.

On the other hand, from your other threads and posts, it seems like you're going to be seriously irked if the bike isn't unquestionably primo kit. And my assumption for most people building up $~4k frames on their own money is that whatever the difference is between DA/Enve and U/Roval, it's a pretty small drop in the bucket over the minimum 2-3 years you'll have the bike before upgrading components or building a new one.

Either way, you end up with a perfectly great bike.
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Will have bike longer than 2-3 years. Prices are very similar. I "could" spend the money I guess to go DA AND Enve but not sure I want to or that it would be worth it. Want to set a limit on this

So would group set or wheels be more worth the money?

Guess also easier to upgrade wheels if wanted to later on rather than going from Ultegra to DA

That is why leaning towards DA with Roval (which many people are saying are very good wheels and not that different from Enve) Not sure I like the look of Enve and the different sized wheels front and back
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