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    Quote Originally Posted by Bacciagalupe View Post
    Because he wants to justify buying the BMC.
    It's funny how some people can't buy a frame just because it looks better than the others.

    I almost bought one too.

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    Just watched the BMC video:

    new granfondo GF01 2013 ? BMC swiss cycling technology

    Go ahead and buy it and post pics for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dheorl View Post
    Not a fan of either of the brands tbh, or do you just mean for a price comparison point of view? Any idea what the weight on them is like?
    CAAD10 frame is lighter and has a better ride than many of the entry carbon frames. IMO. And I've ridden most of the widely available stuff.

    But your mileage may vary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dheorl View Post
    Yea, I'm definitely trying out a lot of bikes before I dump that sort of money on one. Have ridden a few so far, but tbh was just wondering if aluminium had improved along with carbon really and which was likely to be better value. I have to admit I do like the thought of a bike with RED that only just comes in over the UCI weight limit but as you day, I need to be careful to not fall in love with it just based on paper.
    UCI weight limit? If you are worrying about that, you would be getting your bikes for free and getting a paycheck to ride it.

    At the price point you are quoting, you can spend some cash and get a really light set of wheels and be way under the UCI wright limit. So when the Tour starts, you'll have to add weights to the bike to le legal.

    C'mon man....
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirHustlerEsq View Post
    You made a thread on aluminum frames but aren't interested in the two best, mass produced aluminum frames? Why even make this thread?
    Because I'm curious as to whether high end aluminium can be as good as equally priced carbon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bacciagalupe View Post
    Because he wants to justify buying the BMC.
    Yep, pretty much =)

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    Quote Originally Posted by roadwarrior View Post
    UCI weight limit? If you are worrying about that, you would be getting your bikes for free and getting a paycheck to ride it.

    At the price point you are quoting, you can spend some cash and get a really light set of wheels and be way under the UCI wright limit. So when the Tour starts, you'll have to add weights to the bike to le legal.

    C'mon man....
    I know it's completely meaningless from my point of view but I still consider it a benchmark of when a bike is starting to get properly light (even if it is a rather dated benchmark). I'll be racing it a bit but I doubt they'll weight our bikes at all at the races I'll do =)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dheorl View Post
    I know it's completely meaningless from my point of view but I still consider it a benchmark of when a bike is starting to get properly light (even if it is a rather dated benchmark). I'll be racing it a bit but I doubt they'll weight our bikes at all at the races I'll do =)
    An acquaintence of mine was in a national masters race, no UCI rules, 10.5 pounds. And this was a few years ago and he was using a Cannondale Six/Thirteen at 52 cm.

    It's not hard to do if you have the cash or are good enough to get the best free stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Team Sarcasm View Post
    the bike costs 7000 the frameset is 2000. at 2000 for an alimunim frame
    Not sure where you are getting that $2000. Specialized site lists msrp for the frameset at $880. Specialized Bicycle Components

    And OP, you question is generally flawed. At this point, there really isn't a "high-end" aluminum option. Most manufacturers now offer an aluminum frameset due to the lower price point they can hit with aluminum versus carbon.

    The Caad 10 has developed a reputation and a bit of a cult following because it is an excellent combination of price, comfort, and stiffness. You can find aluminum frames cheaper, you can find aluminum frames that are more comfortable and you can find aluminum frames that are stiffer. The Caad 10 is just a good combination of all three.

    Specialized has tried to match the Caad 10 with its latest Allez. I have not ridden it, but based on my past experience (Caad 9 and Spec. S-Works E5 alu.) I am inclined to believe that it has created a pretty solid frameset. I liked my S-Works alu. better than the Caad 9.

    BMC, which is what you are considering, simply is not known for its aluminum frames.

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    Specialized as an "Allez Smart Weld" frame for $880 (I rode this frame), and an S-Works branded frame for $2000?

    It's never been more clear that you are paying for the lettering on the frame, not the performance.

    I rode a few Al frames in January and although all were good enough for me, the CAAD10 was the clear winner in ride quality, maybe better power transfer but miniscule in comparison.

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    Find a copy of the new Cycling Plus or go to the Bike Radar website and read the tests on the aluminum framed bicycles, 6 were tested, the Allez and CAAD were the same build level. The Allez was their choice based on the matter of price. They felt that Cannondale was not progressing from the CAAD 10's original position and the smartweld Specialized frame was a big step forward. I'd disagree, but that is personal, I've ridden both and the CAAD is still my choice. I would like to see the Black Inc. and the S-Works Allez tested against each other, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by topflightpro View Post
    Not sure where you are getting that $2000. Specialized site lists msrp for the frameset at $880. Specialized Bicycle Components

    Quote Originally Posted by SirHustlerEsq View Post
    Specialized as an "Allez Smart Weld" frame for $880 (I rode this frame), and an S-Works branded frame for $2000?
    Specialized Bicycle Components

    Being the Cannondale Humper I am....the Allez is a beautiful bike (especially the e5 s-works) and I would not hesitate to buy one. But for the same money spent, you can build up a better caad10.
    Last edited by Team Sarcasm; 03-12-14 at 09:37 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Team Sarcasm View Post
    Specialized Bicycle Components

    Being the Cannondale Humper I am....the Allez is a beautiful bike (especially the e5 s-works) and I would not hesitate to buy one. But for the same money spent, you can build up a better caad10.
    I stand corrected. I totally missed the S-Works frame.

    But reading through the full specs, it looks like for the extra $1,110 you get an upgraded fork and seatpost, and possibly a compact crankset? There is none shown in the photo, but the specs list a SBC SW OSBB 50x34t, which I interpret to be a Specialzed S-Works Compact Crankset. If that is the case, then, the $2,000 price tag isn't totally outrageous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Team Sarcasm View Post
    Specialized Bicycle Components

    Being the Cannondale Humper I am....the Allez is a beautiful bike (especially the e5 s-works) and I would not hesitate to buy one. But for the same money spent, you can build up a better caad10.
    Everyone else is talking about this frame which is much more comparable to the CAAD10.

    Specialized Bicycle Components

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    Quote Originally Posted by topflightpro View Post
    I stand corrected. I totally missed the S-Works frame.

    But reading through the full specs, it looks like for the extra $1,110 you get an upgraded fork and seatpost, and possibly a compact crankset? There is none shown in the photo, but the specs list a SBC SW OSBB 50x34t, which I interpret to be a Specialzed S-Works Compact Crankset. If that is the case, then, the $2,000 price tag isn't totally outrageous.
    I didnt scroll down far enough to see it came with the crank and stuff, my B

    Quote Originally Posted by therhodeo View Post
    Everyone else is talking about this frame which is much more comparable to the CAAD10.

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    If the calculator is right, the op is looking at spending 4150usd on a bike, which is a nice chunk of change. Everyone else may be talking about the plain e5. I am talking about the e5 s-works.

    If someone is looking to spend that much money, why not put the top model on their radar if it's within the price range of a build-able bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Team Sarcasm View Post
    If the calculator is right, the op is looking at spending 4150usd on a bike, which is a nice chunk of change. Everyone else may be talking about the plain e5. I am talking about the e5 s-works.

    If someone is looking to spend that much money, why not put the top model on their radar if it's within the price range of a build-able bike?
    I get that but if you're making the argument for a cheaper frame (CAAD 10) and better components then the cheaper Allez should be back in the discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by therhodeo View Post
    I get that but if you're making the argument for a cheaper frame (CAAD 10) and better components then the cheaper Allez should be back in the discussion.
    before I knew that the sworkse5 came with more than just the frame set....

    a 2000 dollar frame set leaves 2150 for wheels, components, bars etc which will become a give and take game.

    A 2800$ caad10 ultegra. leaves 1350 for wheels/bars etc. If he sells off his take-offs he will have more to play with and for the same overall price you will probably have a lighter bike going with the caad10.


    Now that I know the sworks frame set is not just a frame set, it might be worth, from a price/weight perspective, to look into if the op is on a budget.

    I am not going to discuss this any more unless the op wants to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elvo View Post
    The new high end allez is supposed to be 1050 grams while the CAAD10 is 1100-1200 grams IIRC
    LOL, paying 3x the price to save 50 grams. well done.

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    If I were buying new and it had to be aluminum, I'd consider one of Giant's better aluminum bikes.

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    lol @ anyone buying that S-Works frame and paying $1000 for a crank, bearings, and post compared to the base frame.

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    OK, I'll justify the BMC.

    I have an SLO 1 from the last last year they made the aluminum frame. I love this bike. It's as stiff I need, not particularly buzzy, and looks as good now as it did new thousands of rainy, snowy, crappy miles ago.

    I ride with someone who loves her BMC Grand Fondo just as much.

    At this level, there really are no bad bikes. If you like the bike and can afford it, why would you ask the folks here for permission?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hueyhoolihan View Post
    i've got a carbon frame and recently purchased an aluminum frame too. there's no doubt in my mind that the aluminum one will outlast the carbon one, but then again, we live finite lives and our active cyling lives are shorter, so how long, realistically, does a frame have to last anyway?

    i can find little difference between my $300 no-name Chinese carbon frame/fork that has worked out fine and my recently purchased Performance Bike Ascent $69 dollar aluminum frame, which no doubt will outlast it and suffer the indignity of becoming a resident of the nearest landfill upon my demise...

    as the OP says, ride both, make a choice.
    An aluminum frame will outlast a carbon frame? That's news to me.

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    if you start out with a butted, taper wall tube and then hydroform the shape ,

    its possible to control the wall thickness thru out the tube ..is it done , IDK

    maybe someone has crashed theirs and is willing to saw it up and look


    its the Rigidity that makes an ALuminum frame durable. flexing it is not a good thing.

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