Aluminium done well?
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In general it is accepted that there are very fine Al frames. But it is also widely accepted that Al cannot provide the same desired balance of stiffness and comfort that can be achieved with CF composite. If you are more pleased by the idea of riding a metal frame than the notion of having the current ultimate in stiffness-comfort balance, then likely Al is for you.
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There's a Super Six Evo (2012), Synapse, CAAD10, and other bicycles in my family. I have no plans to replace my CAAD10, ever. It's probably for the best, it keeps Al bicycles cheap for people like me that don't enjoy burning cash.
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The price on that alum BMC is ridiculous. The whole point of buying Alum is that they are cheaper, but almost as good.
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The e5 smartweld is a sick frame....awesome race bike. i'd post mine again, but i only bust it out on special occasions....this thread is not it.
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just show us brah
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OK, I'll justify the BMC.
I have an SLO 1 from the last last year they made the aluminum frame. I love this bike. It's as stiff I need, not particularly buzzy, and looks as good now as it did new thousands of rainy, snowy, crappy miles ago.
I ride with someone who loves her BMC Grand Fondo just as much.
At this level, there really are no bad bikes. If you like the bike and can afford it, why would you ask the folks here for permission?
I have an SLO 1 from the last last year they made the aluminum frame. I love this bike. It's as stiff I need, not particularly buzzy, and looks as good now as it did new thousands of rainy, snowy, crappy miles ago.
I ride with someone who loves her BMC Grand Fondo just as much.
At this level, there really are no bad bikes. If you like the bike and can afford it, why would you ask the folks here for permission?
The problem is at this level there are so many good bikes, I was wondering if I should be discounting this one because for the money carbon would be better or if it was still a viable option.
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Well I went into a shop today and tried out the frame with a lower end spec on it. The back end felt pretty nice and plush but the front was pretty rough. I went ahead and ordered in the higher spec version to try as it comes with carbon bars to see if with that it turns into a nicer ride.
Standing up and sprinting wise it sure didn't have the feeling of instant power transfer that one of the bianchis I tried had but it definitely felt much more stable, and maybe the higher spec with lighter wheels etc will feel a bit snappier.
Standing up and sprinting wise it sure didn't have the feeling of instant power transfer that one of the bianchis I tried had but it definitely felt much more stable, and maybe the higher spec with lighter wheels etc will feel a bit snappier.
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You are right, there is pretty much no such thing as a bad bicycle these days. Can you buy a metal bicycle and be happy with it? People ask me if my bicycle is a Super Six all the time, I saw it's a CAAD10 and they turn-up their nose and say things like "it must be harsh/rough" or "why didn't you get [carbon frame]?" I rode a 2012 SS Evo and CAAD10 back and forth on the same ride, over and over, then went and ordered the aluminum frame. There was no question in my mind on how to spend the money, even with all the people belittling me for not buying a composite frame.
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Aluminum really is a wonder material because it's so light, formable and cheap. It just took the very technologically slow moving bike industry an extra 50 years to figure out how to use it for structures, and they're still at it. A lot of aluminum made it into planes, missiles, and outer space during that time.
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Well I went into a shop today and tried out the frame with a lower end spec on it. The back end felt pretty nice and plush but the front was pretty rough. I went ahead and ordered in the higher spec version to try as it comes with carbon bars to see if with that it turns into a nicer ride.
Standing up and sprinting wise it sure didn't have the feeling of instant power transfer that one of the bianchis I tried had but it definitely felt much more stable, and maybe the higher spec with lighter wheels etc will feel a bit snappier.
Standing up and sprinting wise it sure didn't have the feeling of instant power transfer that one of the bianchis I tried had but it definitely felt much more stable, and maybe the higher spec with lighter wheels etc will feel a bit snappier.
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Actually, carbon bikes these days are probably more durable than aluminum ones.
Manufacturers have been making the aluminum thinner and thinner to reduce weight. As a result, it's pretty easy to dent an aluminum frame. Aluminum does not like being dented and after awhile will crack. And aluminum cannot be repaired. That said, one can still ride a dented aluminum frame until a crack forms, and the frame is unlikely to fail catastrophically.
I know this from experience, having dented my old S-Works E5 aluminum frame in a crash. It took about six weeks of racing for a crack to form. The frame is now wall art in my office.
I've also cracked a carbon frame in a crash. I could have had it repaired, but I got a replacement under warranty instead.
Manufacturers have been making the aluminum thinner and thinner to reduce weight. As a result, it's pretty easy to dent an aluminum frame. Aluminum does not like being dented and after awhile will crack. And aluminum cannot be repaired. That said, one can still ride a dented aluminum frame until a crack forms, and the frame is unlikely to fail catastrophically.
I know this from experience, having dented my old S-Works E5 aluminum frame in a crash. It took about six weeks of racing for a crack to form. The frame is now wall art in my office.
I've also cracked a carbon frame in a crash. I could have had it repaired, but I got a replacement under warranty instead.
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Actually, carbon bikes these days are probably more durable than aluminum ones.
Manufacturers have been making the aluminum thinner and thinner to reduce weight. As a result, it's pretty easy to dent an aluminum frame. Aluminum does not like being dented and after awhile will crack. And aluminum cannot be repaired. That said, one can still ride a dented aluminum frame until a crack forms, and the frame is unlikely to fail catastrophically.
I know this from experience, having dented my old S-Works E5 aluminum frame in a crash. It took about six weeks of racing for a crack to form. The frame is now wall art in my office.
I've also cracked a carbon frame in a crash. I could have had it repaired, but I got a replacement under warranty instead.
Manufacturers have been making the aluminum thinner and thinner to reduce weight. As a result, it's pretty easy to dent an aluminum frame. Aluminum does not like being dented and after awhile will crack. And aluminum cannot be repaired. That said, one can still ride a dented aluminum frame until a crack forms, and the frame is unlikely to fail catastrophically.
I know this from experience, having dented my old S-Works E5 aluminum frame in a crash. It took about six weeks of racing for a crack to form. The frame is now wall art in my office.
I've also cracked a carbon frame in a crash. I could have had it repaired, but I got a replacement under warranty instead.
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Hanging around the mtbr forums, I've read about Trek's Alpha Platinum? al mtbr frames and how some have mentioned how good they are compared to carbon. I think the new mtb frame material/design has come across from these al road bike frames. Might be worth checking out.
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I have been riding a Jamis Quest 105 for over 2 years now...my first road bike as well. I am looking to get into something lighter and a bit faster and was thinking of the Icon Elite. I rode it briefly last week and it definitively felt swift and responsive, but not sure how harsh the ride will be compared to my steel Quest. I am planning on riding the STP (200 mile ride from seattle to portland) in July and was hoping to do it on a new bike. What is your experience on long rides with the Icon? Thank you much!
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In general it is accepted that there are very fine Al frames. But it is also widely accepted that Al cannot provide the same desired balance of stiffness and comfort that can be achieved with CF composite. If you are more pleased by the idea of riding a metal frame than the notion of having the current ultimate in stiffness-comfort balance, then likely Al is for you.
but but that's what i read on the internet that al is uncomfortable
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I am verrrry pleased with my new CAAD 8. The power efficiency is terrific so much that I wonder how I can resist a CAAD 10 later on.
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Longer rides are ok. I'm good for about four hours before I start to feel every ripple. That's about my limit anyway (endurance wise). Shouldn't be a problem at the stp.
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