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achoo 03-13-14 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiggle (Post 16576124)
Everything I posted is true.

Well, I read it on the intertubz, so it must be true.

buffalowings 03-13-14 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by achoo (Post 16576179)
Well, I read it on the intertubz, so it must be true.

If you read the marketing literature widely available.. the points that every manufacturer is stressing is a variation of one another.

MinnMan 03-14-14 12:22 AM

If you're spending that kind of coin, you are not going to get a bad bike, whatever brand you choose. Sure, some have a little edge in design/stiffness/weight etc. but once you are north of $10k, it's going to be mostly a matter of taste and fit. Perhaps quite a bit before you get to $10k. Maybe north of $5 k?

MinnMan 03-14-14 12:25 AM

Dudelsack was just trolling when he wrote "Trek". I'm pretty sure that he's still on his meds. I just wish he'd give me some.

Bob Dopolina 03-14-14 12:41 AM

ok. A quick design point: The drive side and non-drive side of the frames are different shapes and laid up differently to address the specific loads. That's hard to tell by looking at a photo on the interwebz and probably has a lot to do with the ride quality.










But, oh yeah, the man is out go get you and is just ripping you off...they all come out of one factory in China...

znomit 03-14-14 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by StanSeven (Post 16575854)
A more basic question is has anybody here been self-critical of a purchase they made?

No, thats why we have wives.


OP, some people really like the look of Pinas. If that gets them out on the bike more often then looks = performance.
Personally I dislike them. Even uglier than the roubaix.

NathanC 03-14-14 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by gc3 (Post 16575568)
Nowhere near as fugly as the new Merckx

My Merckx is hot!

Homebrew01 03-14-14 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob Dopolina (Post 16576424)

But, oh yeah, the man is out go get you and is just ripping you off...they all come out of one factory in China...

I knew it !! Bob finally admits it !!! :innocent:

Avispa 03-15-14 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by MinnMan (Post 16576409)
If you're spending that kind of coin, you are not going to get a bad bike, whatever brand you choose. Sure, some have a little edge in design/stiffness/weight etc. but once you are north of $10k, it's going to be mostly a matter of taste and fit. Perhaps quite a bit before you get to $10k. Maybe north of $5 k?

Perhaps i can only dream of a new, second bike. I quite recently built up a custom made Paduano Gladio. It has been taking time to finalize fit. I dare say it is not at all cheaper than a Pina, but i like it very much. I am curious of the sense and feel, that is what drives me to try new stuff. I personally would not buy a Pina. There are so many interesting brands/ bikes, it is very difficult to determine where to go from Gladio. I think, a light weight project would be very fun. But i wonder how those bikes are to ride?
Sadly better income and shorter working weeks don't go hand in hand.

ooga-booga 03-15-14 03:18 AM

happy with my '85 pinarello treviso. not the lightest but it has internal cable routing and smooths out the bumps since it's steel. i'd buy it again.

dmcdam 03-15-14 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by buffalowings (Post 16576204)
If you read the marketing literature widely available.. the points that every manufacturer is stressing is a variation of one another.

That's because in this class of race bike, the manufacturers are all striving for similar ride characteristics. There's only so many parts to a bicycle frame that can be modified to impact those.

Sixty Fiver 03-15-14 07:12 AM

Things like this made them great...

http://www.velociao.com/wp-content/g...3/p1264877.jpg
Pinarello Montello (1983-1984) | velociao

BillyD 03-15-14 07:27 AM

Hot!

rpenmanparker 03-15-14 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiggle (Post 16575937)
They are a very clever company. By focusing on stiffness, they can forgo all those R&D costs other companies sink into "light and stiff" layups. Then capitalize on the history of their name while having some Eastern Hemisphere sweat shops make the frames for cheap, add a few wavy things for style points, and sponsor some pro teams so any onlooker who doesn't know any better will think they are the cat's meow.

BAM, market share and high profit/frame.

Winning.

The truth and nothing but the truth. But not the whole truth. What you left out is that Pinarello actually sells more bikes by overpricing them rather then fewer. There is a huge segment of the population that can't resist a rip off of that magnitude. "If a bike is that expensive and I can afford it, it must be good and I must be great." No decisions to make, no choices, just spend the most you can. As we say, "They drank the Kool Aid."

BillyD 03-15-14 07:44 AM

There's tons of Kool Aid to go around in the bike industry. Take a look at frame materials for instance.

rebel1916 03-15-14 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by BillyD (Post 16579677)
There's tons of Kool Aid to go around in the bike industry. Take a look at frame materials for instance.

I know. I mean, would you believe that there are people who claim that a heavier, weaker material is superior, especially when handcrafted by an "artisan" is his basement with no QC department!

Homebrew01 03-15-14 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by rpenmanparker (Post 16579676)
The truth and nothing but the truth. But not the whole truth. What you left out is that Pinarello actually sells more bikes by overpricing them rather then fewer. There is a huge segment of the population that can't resist a rip off of that magnitude. "If a bike is that expensive and I can afford it, it must be good and I must be great." No decisions to make, no choices, just spend the most you can. As we say, "They drank the Kool Aid."

The "premier pricing" model exists in a lot of markets, not just bikes.

JohnDThompson 03-15-14 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by rebel1916 (Post 16575060)
They are embarrassingly ridiculous looking.

Not all of them...

http://classicrendezvous.com/images/...addad/full.jpg

rpenmanparker 03-15-14 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Homebrew01 (Post 16579810)
The "premier pricing" model exists in a lot of markets, not just bikes.

True dat! You can get ripped off in almost any area of commerce. All you have to do is allow it to happen.

rebel1916 03-15-14 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnDThompson (Post 16579929)

We are not speaking of the last millennium!

Bob Dopolina 03-15-14 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by rpenmanparker (Post 16579676)
The truth and nothing but the truth. But not the whole truth. What you left out is that Pinarello actually sells more bikes by overpricing them rather then fewer. There is a huge segment of the population that can't resist a rip off of that magnitude. "If a bike is that expensive and I can afford it, it must be good and I must be great." No decisions to make, no choices, just spend the most you can. As we say, "They drank the Kool Aid."

C'mon. You can't actually believe that, can you?

There is some price to pay for the. Brand but it's not like they are selling crap at a premium price. Do some research on the product before making such a silly statement.

BillyD 03-15-14 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnDThompson (Post 16579929)

Hot!

Sixty Fiver 03-15-14 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by rebel1916 (Post 16579966)
We are not speaking of the last millennium!

Some of us understand why the name Pinarello makes cyclists giddy... and what made them great.

This is what comes to mind for many of us when the name is mentioned.

In the modern day that name carries some weight and from all accounts they still make a great bike.

rpenmanparker 03-15-14 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob Dopolina (Post 16580041)
C'mon. You can't actually believe that, can you?

There is some price to pay for the. Brand but it's not like they are selling crap at a premium price. Do some research on the product before making such a silly statement.

Yes, of course. I never said it wasn't a good bike. I just said the only factor making it a $15,000 bike was the name and Italian mystique. Oh, and the effect of that price tag being so outrageous it confers legitimacy on itself. Counterintuitive but true. Can YOU honestly not put together a bike from parts that you think (from that research) will be as attractive and perform as well and be $7,500 cheaper (retail basis)? I know I can. QED

gridplan 03-15-14 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by rpenmanparker (Post 16580067)
Yes, of course. I never said it wasn't a good bike. I just said the only factor making it a $15,000 bike was the name and Italian mystique. Oh, and the effect of that price tag being so outrageous it confers legitimacy on itself. Counterintuitive but true. Can YOU honestly not put together a bike from parts that you think (from that research) will be as attractive and perform as well and be $7,500 cheaper (retail basis)? I know I can. QED

I couldn't outfit it as they have with a budget of $7,500 and still arrive at something my eyes considered attractive. I'd have to choose some less expensive components. Campy EPS would blow the budget.


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