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    Quote Originally Posted by Jiggle View Post
    Everything I posted is true.
    Well, I read it on the intertubz, so it must be true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by achoo View Post
    Well, I read it on the intertubz, so it must be true.
    If you read the marketing literature widely available.. the points that every manufacturer is stressing is a variation of one another.
    Noooooo! My thread!! -_________- http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php/896498-Do-you-pack-quot-heat-quot-while-cycling

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    If you're spending that kind of coin, you are not going to get a bad bike, whatever brand you choose. Sure, some have a little edge in design/stiffness/weight etc. but once you are north of $10k, it's going to be mostly a matter of taste and fit. Perhaps quite a bit before you get to $10k. Maybe north of $5 k?

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    Dudelsack was just trolling when he wrote "Trek". I'm pretty sure that he's still on his meds. I just wish he'd give me some.

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    ok. A quick design point: The drive side and non-drive side of the frames are different shapes and laid up differently to address the specific loads. That's hard to tell by looking at a photo on the interwebz and probably has a lot to do with the ride quality.










    But, oh yeah, the man is out go get you and is just ripping you off...they all come out of one factory in China...
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    Quote Originally Posted by StanSeven View Post
    A more basic question is has anybody here been self-critical of a purchase they made?
    No, thats why we have wives.


    OP, some people really like the look of Pinas. If that gets them out on the bike more often then looks = performance.
    Personally I dislike them. Even uglier than the roubaix.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gc3 View Post
    Nowhere near as fugly as the new Merckx
    My Merckx is hot!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Dopolina View Post

    But, oh yeah, the man is out go get you and is just ripping you off...they all come out of one factory in China...
    I knew it !! Bob finally admits it !!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MinnMan View Post
    If you're spending that kind of coin, you are not going to get a bad bike, whatever brand you choose. Sure, some have a little edge in design/stiffness/weight etc. but once you are north of $10k, it's going to be mostly a matter of taste and fit. Perhaps quite a bit before you get to $10k. Maybe north of $5 k?
    Perhaps i can only dream of a new, second bike. I quite recently built up a custom made Paduano Gladio. It has been taking time to finalize fit. I dare say it is not at all cheaper than a Pina, but i like it very much. I am curious of the sense and feel, that is what drives me to try new stuff. I personally would not buy a Pina. There are so many interesting brands/ bikes, it is very difficult to determine where to go from Gladio. I think, a light weight project would be very fun. But i wonder how those bikes are to ride?
    Sadly better income and shorter working weeks don't go hand in hand.

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    happy with my '85 pinarello treviso. not the lightest but it has internal cable routing and smooths out the bumps since it's steel. i'd buy it again.
    i'd rather be alive wrong than dead right

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    Quote Originally Posted by buffalowings View Post
    If you read the marketing literature widely available.. the points that every manufacturer is stressing is a variation of one another.
    That's because in this class of race bike, the manufacturers are all striving for similar ride characteristics. There's only so many parts to a bicycle frame that can be modified to impact those.

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    Things like this made them great...


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    Hot!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jiggle View Post
    They are a very clever company. By focusing on stiffness, they can forgo all those R&D costs other companies sink into "light and stiff" layups. Then capitalize on the history of their name while having some Eastern Hemisphere sweat shops make the frames for cheap, add a few wavy things for style points, and sponsor some pro teams so any onlooker who doesn't know any better will think they are the cat's meow.

    BAM, market share and high profit/frame.

    Winning.
    The truth and nothing but the truth. But not the whole truth. What you left out is that Pinarello actually sells more bikes by overpricing them rather then fewer. There is a huge segment of the population that can't resist a rip off of that magnitude. "If a bike is that expensive and I can afford it, it must be good and I must be great." No decisions to make, no choices, just spend the most you can. As we say, "They drank the Kool Aid."
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    There's tons of Kool Aid to go around in the bike industry. Take a look at frame materials for instance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyD View Post
    There's tons of Kool Aid to go around in the bike industry. Take a look at frame materials for instance.
    I know. I mean, would you believe that there are people who claim that a heavier, weaker material is superior, especially when handcrafted by an "artisan" is his basement with no QC department!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rpenmanparker View Post
    The truth and nothing but the truth. But not the whole truth. What you left out is that Pinarello actually sells more bikes by overpricing them rather then fewer. There is a huge segment of the population that can't resist a rip off of that magnitude. "If a bike is that expensive and I can afford it, it must be good and I must be great." No decisions to make, no choices, just spend the most you can. As we say, "They drank the Kool Aid."
    The "premier pricing" model exists in a lot of markets, not just bikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rebel1916 View Post
    They are embarrassingly ridiculous looking.
    Not all of them...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Homebrew01 View Post
    The "premier pricing" model exists in a lot of markets, not just bikes.
    True dat! You can get ripped off in almost any area of commerce. All you have to do is allow it to happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDThompson View Post
    Not all of them...

    We are not speaking of the last millennium!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rpenmanparker View Post
    The truth and nothing but the truth. But not the whole truth. What you left out is that Pinarello actually sells more bikes by overpricing them rather then fewer. There is a huge segment of the population that can't resist a rip off of that magnitude. "If a bike is that expensive and I can afford it, it must be good and I must be great." No decisions to make, no choices, just spend the most you can. As we say, "They drank the Kool Aid."
    C'mon. You can't actually believe that, can you?

    There is some price to pay for the. Brand but it's not like they are selling crap at a premium price. Do some research on the product before making such a silly statement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDThompson View Post
    Not all of them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rebel1916 View Post
    We are not speaking of the last millennium!
    Some of us understand why the name Pinarello makes cyclists giddy... and what made them great.

    This is what comes to mind for many of us when the name is mentioned.

    In the modern day that name carries some weight and from all accounts they still make a great bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Dopolina View Post
    C'mon. You can't actually believe that, can you?

    There is some price to pay for the. Brand but it's not like they are selling crap at a premium price. Do some research on the product before making such a silly statement.
    Yes, of course. I never said it wasn't a good bike. I just said the only factor making it a $15,000 bike was the name and Italian mystique. Oh, and the effect of that price tag being so outrageous it confers legitimacy on itself. Counterintuitive but true. Can YOU honestly not put together a bike from parts that you think (from that research) will be as attractive and perform as well and be $7,500 cheaper (retail basis)? I know I can. QED
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    Quote Originally Posted by rpenmanparker View Post
    Yes, of course. I never said it wasn't a good bike. I just said the only factor making it a $15,000 bike was the name and Italian mystique. Oh, and the effect of that price tag being so outrageous it confers legitimacy on itself. Counterintuitive but true. Can YOU honestly not put together a bike from parts that you think (from that research) will be as attractive and perform as well and be $7,500 cheaper (retail basis)? I know I can. QED
    I couldn't outfit it as they have with a budget of $7,500 and still arrive at something my eyes considered attractive. I'd have to choose some less expensive components. Campy EPS would blow the budget.
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