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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Dopolina View Post
    Like I said, in any industry there are a few good Chinese vendors. Then there are the rest...
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    Want to know why going to the doctor or dentist is so expensive? It's so they can afford their custom Pinarello
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    I would take any of the race ready Pinarellos from the Induran era quite happily. Steel or aluminum...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColnagoC40 View Post
    Sure, but with 400 watts, or the power that can only light 5 light-bulbs, every little bit counts. Agree rider position will be significantly more important than anything else.
    And, as those of us with football player bodies know, rider body shape is quite significant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by floridamtb View Post
    Want to know why going to the doctor or dentist is so expensive? It's so they can afford their custom Pinarello
    The neurosurgeon that did my C1-C2 fusion after my crash last July is a cyclist. Didn't think to ask him what he rode. But, his patient was riding a Masi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Young Version View Post
    I'm inclined to think there are more factors at play here. Rider position would have a MUCH larger effect on your descending speed than aero.
    You can't just go by the drag of the down tube alone. It has an influence on the drag of everything behind it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bruce19 View Post
    The neurosurgeon that did my C1-C2 fusion after my crash last July is a cyclist. Didn't think to ask him what he rode. But, his patient was riding a Masi.
    I told my daughter I'll pay for medical school, but when she finishes she's buying me my dream bike, but it won't be a Pinarello.
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    Quote Originally Posted by floridamtb View Post
    Want to know why going to the doctor or dentist is so expensive? It's so they can afford their custom Pinarello
    Umm yeah, maybe, or perhaps they're ambitious people who don't elevate mediocrity to a guiding principle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerrycan42 View Post
    I would take any of the race ready Pinarellos from the Induran era quite happily. Steel or aluminum...

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    Quote Originally Posted by floridamtb View Post
    I told my daughter I'll pay for medical school, but when she finishes she's buying me my dream bike, but it won't be a Pinarello.
    But, now we all want to know....what is that dream bike?

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    FWIW I have a friend who is a Rep for several companies like GU, Bianchi, etc. He has a demo Bianchi Infinito that he says is amazing. He is a "steel is real" kind of guy but says this newest Bianchi technology is fantastic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bruce19 View Post
    But, now we all want to know....what is that dream bike?
    I have absolutely no idea, never spent too much time thinking about what I couldn't have
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    Quote Originally Posted by sfrider View Post
    Umm yeah, maybe, or perhaps they're ambitious people who don't elevate mediocrity to a guiding principle.
    Or maybe they get the sarcasm in my post
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    Quote Originally Posted by floridamtb View Post
    I have absolutely no idea, never spent too much time thinking about what I couldn't have
    Your not an American are you.

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    New F8/What Froome and Sky will be riding on the TdF

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cC__...ature=youtu.be

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    People really think this is ugly!? I'm not going to kick it out of bed.

    Article I found picture in: Jaguar teams with Pinarello for Tour de France bike


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    Last edited by mlander; 05-30-14 at 01:18 PM. Reason: oops, looks like I got beat to the same news in te article by a day ^^^^ still not a bad pic tho, eh?

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    But that's a model created from rejected frames and forks - the forks they couldn't gets squiggly enough
    You're just trying to start an argument to show how smart you are.

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    The new version doesn't look too bad. As you can see, they removed the pointless squiggles because they read my posts on the internet and took my advice.

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    Pinarellos are great bikes, but there are other great bikes out there. If you are seeking buying advice, go check out as many bikes as you can then decide.
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    Scratching my head trying to figure out all the Pinarello hate, and how Asian frame manufacturing and using company history and race wins as marketing tools applies to Pinarello in particular and not to the bulk of contemporary manufacturers as well. There aren't a lot of Kool-aid-free brands out there, IMO.

    But whatevs.

    I'm in the market for my first road bike and have been taking my time riding examples from both the race and endurance sides of the spectrum from several manufacturers. I have come to the conclusion that the "endurance" type of road bike is better suited to my needs - a more comfortable position on a more compliant bike will have me in the saddle longer and further. Bikes that are fractionally faster and more aerodynamic appeal less to me when long-ride comfort is compromised.

    I just took my first ride on a Pinarello Rokh and came away very impressed. I can't tell you from an engineering standpoint what design factors contribute in what measure, but this bike was brilliant at smoothing out the crap roads that are all too prevalent where I ride. So for those who claim the frame is "cheap" and the wavy forks are just for show, all I can say is that if that is true, then the bike must have had a magic saddle because something was definitely working. Probably only the Trek Domane was better in this respect.

    In any event, I get why the styling is polarizing and some people can't stand the look. But the flip side for me is that after riding the bulk of the competition, the aesthetic sameness of their designs started to become something of a net negative - like with a paint swap, I'd barely be able to tell one brand from another, if at all. At least a Pinarello looks like a Pinarello.

    I don't know that I'll end up with the Pinarello, but I do know that at this stage it is a very strong contender.

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    Pinarello is a victim of it's success. Too many chinese knockoffs flooding the streets.
    When you see more Dogmas on the street than Pinarello produced... well, there are a lot of crap "Pinarello Dogmas" out there.
    They are the Gucci handbag of bikes - so many knockoffs, it's hard to tell whats real.

    I don't trust ANY used Pinarello as genuine.
    I don't even want one anymore because you look like a muck riding around on a fake, Chinarello.
    You almost can't even trust new vendors selling "genuine" Pins.

    Local bike shops blend real and fake bike kit to mislead consumers - BikeRadar

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    Quote Originally Posted by cruiserhead View Post
    Pinarello is a victim of it's success. Too many chinese knockoffs flooding the streets.
    When you see more Dogmas on the street than Pinarello produced... well, there are a lot of crap "Pinarello Dogmas" out there.
    They are the Gucci handbag of bikes - so many knockoffs, it's hard to tell whats real.

    I don't trust ANY used Pinarello as genuine.
    I don't even want one anymore because you look like a muck riding around on a fake, Chinarello.
    You almost can't even trust new vendors selling "genuine" Pins.

    Local bike shops blend real and fake bike kit to mislead consumers - BikeRadar
    It wouldn't surprise me at all if that was the chief reason they redesigned the dogma.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrojanHorse View Post
    It wouldn't surprise me at all if that was the chief reason they redesigned the dogma.
    maybe, or that the design is nearly a decade old...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cruiserhead View Post
    maybe, or that the design is nearly a decade old...
    They've tweaked it any number of times between now and ten years ago but the over all distinctiveness of their frame is now gone. Coincidence? There are tons of chinadones out there too (no catchy phrase for chinese madone) but other than people knowing that a certain vendor's FM01 or whatever is supposed to be the same as a madone, it's just not obvious that they're ripping off the IP of another company, and people don't fret about getting a fake Trek.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaeger99 View Post
    Scratching my head trying to figure out all the Pinarello hate, and how Asian frame manufacturing and using company history and race wins as marketing tools applies to Pinarello in particular and not to the bulk of contemporary manufacturers as well.
    I just don't understand how a $6k Italian frame (like the Dogma) can ride that much better than a big brand $2-3k frame manufactured in Asia. If it's not any lighter than you really have to wonder what you're getting for that money.

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