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Old 03-13-14, 12:01 PM   #1
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Greatness of Pinarello, are they truely that great?

I've heard so many things of Pinarello and read more. Are there none of you who have used, ridden or own a Dogma or Dogma K having feedback that contradict the greatness of this bike/ frame? Are they really that great? I am not interested in the Chinarellos, so please...

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I've heard so many things of Pinarello and read more. Are there none of you who have used, ridden or own a Dogma or Dogma K having feedback that contradict the greatness of this bike/ frame? Are they really that great? I am not interested in the Chinarellos, so please...

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According to my lbs, Pinarello frames are on the heavy side, but they ride very well.
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what's wrong with chinarellos?
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what's wrong with chinarellos?
This would have been a good thread without bringing up Chinese carbon frames for the 19,000th time.
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Personally, the Salvador Dali look kills it for me.
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I've heard so many things of Pinarello and read more. Are there none of you who have used, ridden or own a Dogma or Dogma K having feedback that contradict the greatness of this bike/ frame? Are they really that great? I am not interested in the Chinarellos, so please...

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I'm curious, what have you heard of Pinarello? I read all sorts of magazines and online articles and after 3-4 years I basically know nothing of Pinarello other than the pricetag, the fact that they're a bit heavier than other expensive frames, and they have a kinda ugly fork. I don't think they're doing much of a good job marketing to the US as their brand means nothing to me, aside from being under the TdF winner of course. You being from EU can maybe fill us in on what we're supposed to know.
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I'm curious, what have you heard of Pinarello? I read all sorts of magazines and online articles and after 3-4 years I basically know nothing of Pinarello other than the pricetag, the fact that they're a bit heavier than other expensive frames, and they have a kinda ugly fork. I don't think they're doing much of a good job marketing to the US as their brand means nothing to me, aside from being under the TdF winner of course. You being from EU can maybe fill us in on what we're supposed to know.
Well, without going in to technical, i have heard that they ride incredible. They are as you say, a bit heavy, but the ride quality and feel are very comfortable.
It seems that bikes get more heavy when they're made to damp and void vibrations (less muscle fatigue). Some might not care or say it's solved by using other tires, but i think there is more to it than tires. Now what i think ain't really interesting, so i was just putting out this question as i am seriously interested.
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They suck. They all suck. Save your money and buy a Trek.
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They are embarrassingly ridiculous looking.
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They suck. They all suck. Save your money and buy a Trek.
Get back on your meds please.

To the OP. I don't own a Pinarello, but my friend, who owns one, is vey happy with it, especially the handling.

I own a Colnago and I am extremely happy with it. I had a choice between a Dogma and a C59. I chose the C59 because I like its classic lines better and because it is no made in Asia.

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Bike building isn't rocket science. After a certain price point, it's really difficult to buy a "bad" bike these days. Buy one if it fits and you like the look of it.
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ugliest bikes on the market hands down.
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They may be ugly, but Giant makes a great frame.
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I submit that there isn't a dimes worth of difference among the top tier bikes relative to quality. Slightly different geometry perhaps so fit is mostly important. Buy what looks best to you.
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I've got a pal who bought a Dogma 65.1 and he likes it much better than his Scattante...
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ugliest bikes on the market hands down.
Nowhere near as fugly as the new Merckx
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Past a certain price point.. buy your c60 yet?
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C60 is still in the deciding process
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Are there none of you who have used, ridden or own a Dogma or Dogma K having feedback that contradict the greatness of this bike/ frame?
A more basic question is has anybody here been self-critical of a purchase they made?
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C60 is still in the deciding process
Saw a C59 in the shop the other day, classy bike, except the star shaped downtube profile is funky though.
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They are a very clever company. By focusing on stiffness, they can forgo all those R&D costs other companies sink into "light and stiff" layups. Then capitalize on the history of their name while having some Eastern Hemisphere sweat shops make the frames for cheap, add a few wavy things for style points, and sponsor some pro teams so any onlooker who doesn't know any better will think they are the cat's meow.

BAM, market share and high profit/frame.

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^^^

There isn't a face palm big enough....
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Everything I posted is true.
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Everything I posted is true.
x2 seems like the same for any other large manufacturer. Talk about aero profiles, finite element analysis (remove excess material, add strength, add flexibility), layups, composite composition, tapered headtubes, extra wide bottom brackets for stiffness etc etc. Maybe add in a couple rubbery looking neon inserts for, "vibration dampening".
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