UnfilteredDregs

ahhh.... More of the same JiggleBabble.... Ok.

Jiggle

Yes. And you can go with the Archetype or XC279, which are half the price of the HED and save even more!

That's not just Jigglebabble, folks.

UnfilteredDregs

...and they're not even close to the same physical spec for internal width. Try comparing apples to apples J.B.

Nagrom_

How are 17mm, 17mm, and 17mm not even close to each other?

Yum, apples.

Jiggle

Hed Belgium Inner Width: 17.5mm
Kinlin XC279 Inner Width: 17.2mm
H Plus Son Archetype IW: 17.2mm

Burrrrrrrrn. Owned on the internet; how does it feel?

UnfilteredDregs

Ardennes+ / Belgium C2 Plus is 20.5~ mm.



Yum...sizzle...Porcine vapors!!!

Jiggle

Save that victory dance, Cletus.

HED Belgium C2 Clincher Rim : Fairwheel Bikes, Cycling Boutique

17.5mm, right there. pwned.

UnfilteredDregs

Pfffft....neener, neener, neener...

Vendor has it wrong:

After pioneering the "wider is better" approach to road rim design more than five years ago with the original Ardennes, HED is now pushing the concept even further with the new Ardennes Plus and its whopping 20mm internal width – 5mm wider than the norm and on par with many mountain bike wheels. While the idea may be radical to some, the positive effect it has on ride performance is undeniable – and big.


Internal width is 20.6mm.


Widened to 21mm internally and 25mm externally

Jiggle

If you want a rim with 20mm internal, just get some $45 kinlin XD-230 rims! Or take your pick of other 29er rims. But you wasted your coin, and that's still a fact.

UnfilteredDregs

I tried to price my build (C2+, Sapim CX-Ray x 28...) online with CK R45 and the cheapest I can find with those hubs is $1430.00 including shipping.

Nagrom_

That's a 600 dollar hubset, 300 dollars in rims, and a hundred fifty-ish dollars in spokes and nipples. Call it 400 dollars less.


That's what he meant by save a few hundred dollars off retail.

UnfilteredDregs

I got that, I'm not seeing the savings yet...

For $400.00 more I could have a swarm of bees...great.

Except, I don't have a $600 hubset. I have HED hubs...

Where can I find as good a set of wheels for $1K with the R45 hubset?

I haven't seen it...and I don't think it exists?

I could go with DT350s and that would cost me $950.00 for the wheelset. $980 with shipping. So far I've "wasted," $20.00.

Nagrom_

Yes you are.

Or, you could just have 400 dollars in your pocket, because that's the point of "saving."

thatsthepoint.jpg

You spent a thousand dollars on a wheelset, and it could have been better quality in the end.

look harder.

UnfilteredDregs

Ok, so you're telling me I can get HED C2+ rims, with 28 Sapim CX-Ray Spokes, and CK-R45 hubs for $1000.00? Or... Minus the CK hubs, and going with something OEM equivalent... I should be able to source my wheels for $600.00?

I've looked. Well?

NABodie

Was this thread about rims or brakes? I forget!

UnfilteredDregs

The gist is that rims are kinda agnostic...meaning disc specific won't have a brake track, etc... The frame/fork needs to be designed & fit out for disc calipers, and the hubs need to be configured to support the rotors. Then, yeah, it went off on a bit of a tangent. OP, sorry!

Nagrom_

Yes.

No. That's not how it works, but you knew that.
You just didn't spend your money as best you could.








I've laced that exact build (non plus C2s) for WELL under a rack.

UnfilteredDregs

Where at? Built.

Nagrom_

If you notice the first two words of my sentence, you'll get your answer.

All parts were sourced online. The difference between what was paid and 1000 dollars would cover wheel build labor, and you would still have money left over for your swarm of bees.

UnfilteredDregs

Well, I get that...Sure, if you do your own labor, and are versed in the craft, other than all the time it takes to get really good at it, yeah, you can certainly realize material savings. We're still not talking apples and apples.

$1000, built to order. Not to be found.

Sportster2009

Thanks to those of you that replied to my original questions. I get it now.
But is there a wheelset you would recommend that would be better than what came stock? I would use the new wheels on the road only and would want to stay in the 600.00 range. Once again keep in mind I weigh in at 220 right now.

Nagrom_

You have really really good selective reading. Feel free to read my previous second sentence and third sentences.

I take cashiers checks, homie.




But yeah, I'm gonna stop arguing this point. If you're happy with your wheels, then it doesn't really matter what you paid or what they are.

UnfilteredDregs

lmao...Now you're talking.

I'm not selectively reading. I paid $1000.00 for a factory set of wheels and the closest custom build I can find online, without having to do it myself, comes out at more $$$$.

Material wise you can always come out on top if you do it yourself. Except there's a cost associated with learning and becoming efficient at any craft, that translates into a labor cost, and if you don't represent that in total invoice, then we ain't comparing apples to apples.

I practice an art. My implements are custom made. Almost all of them. I don't do it myself, the crafting of the tools of the art is an art within the art. Nevertheless, I'll never fail to recognize the value of such.

Nagrom_

Here's that third sentence you've read:

Psimet2001 

No. I'm a wheel builder. Online. Hundreds less.

Whoever was complaining about the internal widths - c2 and Belgium plus are 2 different rims. Plus are fairly stupid wide. Wide enough to have clearance issues on some set ups for road. Really a cross rim.