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    Bike Radar's article on Shimano's 105 5800

    Saw it this morning. Link doesn't work anymore; wtf!?

    http://www.bikeradar.com/road/news/a...st-look-40450/
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    There's probably some agreement with Shimano that they don't post info on 5800 before a certain time/date.

    Edit, here's a Google cached copy of the page:

    http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...st-look-40450/
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    I guess they did it before the agreed timeframe. I wonder how more affordable from 6800 it would be as that is selling like hot cakes. From memory:
    1) Brakes have clearance for 28mm tires
    2)11 speed
    3)Similar crank as Ultegra 6800
    4)Hydraulic disc compatible (mechanical shifters)
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    If the crank is compatible w10sp I am down to ditch the FSA junk that came on my bike

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricanfred View Post
    Saw it this morning. Link doesn't work anymore; wtf!?

    http://www.bikeradar.com/road/news/a...st-look-40450/
    Can you share a summary of what you read? I'm assuming from other posts they've gone to the four-arm crankset and 11-speed cassette, like the Ultegra 6800, and no more triples. I'm curious if the 5800 cassettes will be offered in a 11-32t, with a RD that officially supports 32t.
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    Quote Originally Posted by john.b View Post
    Can you share a summary of what you read?
    See post #2 in this thread, there's a link to the google cached copy of the article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunbar View Post
    See post #2 in this thread, there's a link to the google cached copy of the article.
    Thanks, I checked archive.org but it hadn't been scanned yet.

    Edit: Link to related (cached) article on the new non-series road hydraulic disc brakes with mechanical shifters, including image gallery: Shimano combines hydraulic disc braking with mechanical shifting - BikeRadar

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    Pretty small hood for a hydraulic brake, esp. compared to SRAM's version.
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    I read the article this morning and also noticed the link is gone. To answer a question in this thread there will be two different rear derailleurs in 5800, SS and GS. GS will support up to a 32T cog in the rear and IIRC the cassettes that will be offered (at least initially) are 11-25, 11-28 and 11-32.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Watchdog View Post
    I read the article this morning and also noticed the link is gone. To answer a question in this thread there will be two different rear derailleurs in 5800, SS and GS. GS will support up to a 32T cog in the rear and IIRC the cassettes that will be offered (at least initially) are 11-25, 11-28 and 11-32.
    Thanks, Watchdog. It'll be interesting to see if the 5800 shifts as crisply as the 6800.
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    Quote Originally Posted by john.b View Post
    Thanks, Watchdog. It'll be interesting to see if the 5800 shifts as crisply as the 6800.
    Definitely that and how does it compare price-wise.
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    Both articles are back online:

    Shimano 105 5800 2014/15 groupset - first look - BikeRadar
    Shimano combines hydraulic disc braking with mechanical shifting - BikeRadar

    Good news for 105 5700 owners:

    Quote Originally Posted by bikeradar.com
    Shimano will also continue to produce five-arm Hollowtech II chainsets in all popular gear combinations for the 105 group. Crank length options will be 165mm, 170mm, 172.5mm and 175mm.
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    Looks good. As cheap as you can get 6800 parts 5800 will have to be in the 550-600 range to sell. That's cheap for a great group like that.

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    I personally think Shimano should just stop their "tinkering" with mechanical groups.

    The future of cycling ( at least with the racer and enthusiast, as far as Dura-Ace, Ultegra and 105 are concerned) is electronic shifting. And the sooner Shimano admits and concetrate on this, the better for all involved!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jed19 View Post
    The future of cycling ( at least with the racer and enthusiast, as far as Dura-Ace, Ultegra and 105 are concerned) is electronic shifting. And the sooner Shimano admits and concetrate on this, the better for all involved!
    Only if they can get the price way down IMO. I test rode Ultegra 6870 and thought it was cool, but not cool enough to spend $1500 on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunbar View Post
    Only if they can get the price way down IMO. I test rode Ultegra 6870 and thought it was cool, but not cool enough to spend $1500 on.
    Oh, the price will come down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jed19 View Post
    I personally think Shimano should just stop their "tinkering" with mechanical groups.

    The future of cycling ( at least with the racer and enthusiast, as far as Dura-Ace, Ultegra and 105 are concerned) is electronic shifting. And the sooner Shimano admits and concetrate on this, the better for all involved!
    I know quite a few cyclists that have no desire to go electronic.

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    Oh, the price will come down.
    For sure....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jed19 View Post
    I personally think Shimano should just stop their "tinkering" with mechanical groups.

    The future of cycling ( at least with the racer and enthusiast, as far as Dura-Ace, Ultegra and 105 are concerned) is electronic shifting. And the sooner Shimano admits and concetrate on this, the better for all involved!
    I currently have no real desire to go electric. When it becomes wireless I might be more interested. Lot less clutter on the bike. Maybe small integrated batteries in the derailleurs, shifters with no wires (wireless brakes?), etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jed19 View Post
    I personally think Shimano should just stop their "tinkering" with mechanical groups.

    The future of cycling ( at least with the racer and enthusiast, as far as Dura-Ace, Ultegra and 105 are concerned) is electronic shifting. And the sooner Shimano admits and concetrate on this, the better for all involved!

    Interesting. I hate to think that I'm against change at my age, but I'm not quite convinced. I will bet that the future of racing is electronic, but I appreciate the fewer degrees of separation between the road and me with my mechanical group. And I'd bet that if I had a bike with Di2, I'd prefer it in a race, but would want mechanical for general riding and training.

    I'd bet this is common from the perspective of a SRAM enthusiast, though. I just rode my tiagra-equipped bike after having been on rival for so long. Scared the pants off of me when I didn't hear that BANG on shifting. I assume Shimano fans are more receptive of electronic shifting?

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    I find this a benefit for the all the 90i0 and 68i0 owners since they can now get cheaper chains. A few more grams for more dough in the pocket is worth it.


    On a semi related note:
    I really want 6870.

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    I posted a comment on the original posting asking a few questions. Mainly, I wonder if the 4 crank bolt pattern will mean Pioneer Power Meters will be available for 105 cranks.

    Also curious about the cost as many have mentioned. It could get an upgrade kit for 6800 at around $500. I wonder how much an upgrade kit for 5800 would cost and what the drawbacks would be over selecting 5800 over 6800. Increased weight? Less crispy shifting?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jed19 View Post
    I personally think Shimano should just stop their "tinkering" with mechanical groups.

    The future of cycling ( at least with the racer and enthusiast, as far as Dura-Ace, Ultegra and 105 are concerned) is electronic shifting. And the sooner Shimano admits and concetrate on this, the better for all involved!
    Except you still have to offer groupsets to the folks who do not believe in electronic systems or "gimmicks". Mechanical groupsets will continue to hang around for a while if nothing else just for these people. At some point, it might be condensed to certain tiers of components, but never-the-less, still available. If Shimano limited themselves to only selling electronic groupsets, they would be handing a section of the market to SRAM/Campy.
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    Well, I need a new cassette and chain. Now I might as well go for a whole new group.

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    I'm pretty sure I need an Al Crux frame with 105 and hydro discs for a dirt road bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jed19 View Post
    I personally think Shimano should just stop their "tinkering" with mechanical groups.

    The future of cycling ( at least with the racer and enthusiast, as far as Dura-Ace, Ultegra and 105 are concerned) is electronic shifting. And the sooner Shimano admits and concetrate on this, the better for all involved!
    I think Shimano very much wants to do this, but that it's just not possible to move Di2 downmarket and preserve the shifting performance they want right now.

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    What I hope having more 11 groups does is pressure KMC and Wipperman to make reusable 11 speed quick links.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricanfred View Post
    I know quite a few cyclists that have no desire to go electronic.


    Hear hear!

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